Comedy still projects a
message though, is a “joke” void of criticism now?
Yeah, it’s a joke, but the message it preaches is
one of hatred towards “a whole generation of
women”. Unless, of course, the musician is
satirising the views he is projecting and I hadn’t
realised.
but the artist never
stated that they’re talking about a specific type
of person, only “a whole generation of women”. is
assuming something the artist never stated not a
bit too convenient?
I just don’t think this
shit is supposed to be taken so literally, it’s so
obviously just meant to rustle feathers, he
probably didn’t think about it that damn hard
lol.
I guess that’s just the
way you interpreted it, but I’m still not totally
convinced. Yeah, the song was probs made to “rustle
feathers”, totally, but it still seems way too
convenient to dismiss everything the artist says as
not to be “taken so literally” when: nothing here
indicated insincerity, and you have countless
comments wherever it’s posted stating how “true”
and “accurate” everything he says is. like, isn’t
the way the audience interpreted something more
important than what the artist intended,
anyway?
also was that some sort
of defense^^^? you literally just reinforced my
perspective even more, and put your cesspool of
hatred on unrestrained public display. this is a
misogynistic song revered by misogynists — that was
my argument, and you’ve just agreed with me. i
guess that’s not really insulting towards you and
ur like-minded peers, though, considering it’s
something you wear on your sleeves.
or, let me guess, the arthoes are the real
misogynists because they challenge the ‘traditional
woman’!!! and you actually love “normal,
conservative women” because they subscribe to old,
judeo-christian values unlike these new
cultural-marxists who choose to exercise their
personal freedom. nah i’m just joshing you, you’re
too sane to believe that. unless....?
Not every girl is
comparable to Ramona Flowers despite the “entire
generation” title. The song itself is p specific
while the title isn’t. If you agree with this, then
you must agree that it’s not simply misogyny, but
distaste for a type of person, which I’m sure you
all fucking have so get over yourselves.
that’s fair enough, but
I still feel that this distaste for arthoes etc.
can be broadened to a distaste for women having
freedom to do what they want — that’s how I’d see
it, at least. the song, instead of going after
interests and expressions, goes down the
slut-shaming route for example. ya get me?
like there are
definitely aspects of the song which are more
biting, general social critiques (like the whole
“movie made in Hollywood” bit lol) but there are
also definitely aspects of the song where the guy
just straight up hates on women, like what I
mentioned above.
I don't know if I'm
supposed to complain about the lyrics or not
because I can't understand a word that comes out of
the singer's mouth. From what I can gather it's
Pinkerton but self-aware, which means it's a whole
star better than that mess. It's just another
insufferable indie personality, just different than
ones like Clairo and that guy who sang the song
about a prune or some shit.
"it's only a comedy
track so far as any punk rock song is a comedy
track"
Well if this wasn't made with comedic intent its
even worse and more embarassing than I originally
perceived
I don't understand the
premise behind this song. Does the guy who wrote
this really think some random movie influenced an
"entire generation" of women? Because the lyrics
don't even come off as ironic or funny just really
bitter and pathetic.
This is a good humorous
track about certain copycat girls but I'm not a big
fan of this type of attention that this and my
fellow loners seem to give Scott Pilgrim and Ramona
Flowers. I think it's a very fine movie and I
appreciate it's visual style very much. A track
like this though could damage its reputation in the
near future.
this is funny. i think
it's funny it sounds like a bland indie song
because the lyrics themselves alienate the kind of
people the song is talking about lol
can't believe there are
actual people who are saying "scott pilgrim ruined
an entire generation of women" while completely
ignoring the irreversible damage that filthy frank
did to men
really just a simp song
for guys who are mad that alt girls dont want them
to "hit that", if it wasn't for this duds other
music i could legit see it being a song about
embarrassing nerd guys who call these "art hoes"
whores but it really justy is a manifestation of
their pent up sexual rage so instead of acknowledge
their own shitty traits they blame everyone else,
when it the end they still think "But honestly I'd
still hit if I could", but this guy doesnt seem
that self aware and just aware his music is
garbage
Most of the song is
disgusting but I'll admit that "she's a teenage
dream if you hate yourself" got a mild chuckle out
of me. Listen, I never claimed I was a perfect
person.
"it's inherently left
leaning and if you wanna argue that then I'm pretty
sure that with a genre that has bands like Millions
of Dead Cops, Discharge and Dead Kennedys, it's
kinda hard to argue that it's anything but
that"
Except those bands came about ten years after
punk's inception?
Yes that was the
inception but the majority of almost all punk is
left wing in some way shape or form. Plus, Johnny
Lydon's a sellout who put his band's name on
fucking credit cards in spite of shouting anarchy,
Marky Ramone was the only Republican in the group
and the other members weren't at all fond of it,
and Iggy Pop isn't even right leaning lmao he's
non-partisan. It's foolish to deny that almost all
punk past its inception is left leaning since the
right is the status quo
Genres can evolve and
punk did so in a pretty rapid period of time and
has pretty much maintained a similar belief system
ever since then, plus if we wanna talk about its
founders, did The Clash ever cross your mind? They
were one of the biggest groups near its inception
and you'd have to be dense to say that they weren't
left leaning
This could've been a
really good song, but the "comedy" just doesn't
land at all. It just ends up being more obnoxious
than anything any liberal art girl has ever
done.
Genuinely one of the
worst songs ever recorded. It’s astonishingly
atrocious. Only way I can imagine anyone enjoying
it is if they agree with its message
I feel like the whole
manic pixie dream girl thing that scott pilgrim
started ruined men by thinking that these women
like Ramona exist rather than making women act like
them lol
really just the indie
rock version of Tom MacDonald, try to provoke
people cus the music on its own is just to bland to
even notice otherwise. the song makes me less mad
than the people trying to defend it
"That’s...that’s
literally the purpose of the song though. It
achieved its goal."
imagine trying to justify liking a bad song based
on how mad it makes people lol. try harder
edgelord
The worst thing about
this song isn't the lyrics and the general
shittiness of them. It's just garden variety incel
talk from an actual incel.
The worst thing is how fucking out of tune those
"ooooohs" are. Seriously, why isn't anyone paying
attention to how offensive they sound? It's pure
auditory diarrhea.
how far did n*gative xp
miss the mark... scott pilgrim tought men that it
was okay to be inept in realationships and to wear
baseball tees / messenger bags and that was the
real destructive effects..
I don't think anyone
should be taking the opinion of what is and isn't
sexist from someone who uses the word "sluts" to
degrade women just for having sex, lmao
I wish this guy made
better music because i do feel sympathetic to
incels just like i feel sympathetic to people who
join gangs. drill music is actually good tho and a
lot of it gives a good representation of the energy
of their environment and lifestyle. if negative xp
made more interesting songs then it would be a good
way to shine a light on “incel” culture and show
how emotionally frustrated a lot of young men on
there internet are.
I can see where
saucelordmark is coming from, but I think the vast,
vast majority of incels will inevitably phrase
their thoughts in an unrefined way because the
basis of the culture is pretty much jumping to
extreme conclusions. Some stuff that often gets
memed as being incel when it really isn't might
help understand the basis of the perspective, but
from a less extreme point of view.
I mean the song is
offensive but the worst thing about is just how
pathetically bitter it sounds, you can say it's
just a silly joke song but to me you can clearly
hear that this is obviously coming from a place of
sincere anger and it's really fucking sad, not in a
way that warrants empathy just in a "wow, how much
of a disenfranchised loser do you have to be to
make this" way
i feel like in a
backwards way this is more callous and
objectionable than intentionally offensive shit
like brainbombs because these guys are so far into
their own little incel world that it comes off as
one hundred percent sincere and even if it isn't
sincere it's sure as hell not funny
"punk is inherently
about being angry with society and how it goes
against what you think is the proper way to do
things."
This is exactly what this song is about lol.
"if you want right-wing punk go write a song about
how we should bring back monarchies"
Monarchy(political system) and society(which
includes some certain groups of the population,
young women for example) are kinda different
things, mmkay?
Take Minor Threat, for
instance. I'm pretty sure that this classic
(hardcore) punk band is mostly known for the
"protest" against the lifestyle of their degenerate
peers who used to drink alcohol, smoke shit, fuck
around, etc. Doesn't this sound similar? So yeah,
besides political topics(which this song also
brings up a bit), punk was always about a bunch of
outcasts(incels, huh) being angry at current trends
in society, influenced by mass media and
consumerism culture, and just about being angry at
any other people from their generation, like school
bullies or dumbass colleagues/bosses or pretty much
whoever surrounds them.
The only difference between Negative XP and your
average trve punk band is that their lyrical
content is more offensive, which only makes them
even more punk then, I guess
A lot of people are
acting like he is taking a crusade against modern
woman. No, he just hates women, and it's pretty
clear from reading the lyrics. Like it it really a
problem if someone has sex, or has BPD. My favorite
line is "[she] Likes to go to shows 'cause she's so
fucking cool". Like lol how do you take this
seriously.
Thickman900 while
that's likely, nothing in the lyrics really
explictly criticize women in general, though they
show indeed that he blames women for having BPD or
sex. What I don't get is the poeple who say "it's
more directed at simps than e-girls". "Only
pedophiles in denial
Think she's anything worth while" is the closest it
comes to doing that, but even then, it's just
saying that the girl is worthless and that you're
degrading yourself by seeking a relationship with
her. And the other two lyrics referencing guys just
shows that she's manipulative and cold, again, not
a crticism of the guy. Yeah, I'm overthinking this,
but I wanted to address this common point in the
discussion.
"The only difference
between Negative XP and your average trve punk band
is that their lyrical content is more offensive,
which only makes them even more punk then, I
guess"
Also the vast majority of those old school bands
could fucking sing in tune
"The idea that punk is simply offending people
removes punk from its historical context and
perverts and diminishes the very real, very
tangible political struggles that informed it."
Perfect quote to summarize this all
no it isn't, most punks
were just anti-establishment but not really
political. if punk was political then john lyndon,
the misfits and half of the ramones wouldnt be
conservative. everyone knows "nazi punks fuck off"
but nobody ever seems to think why there were even
nazi punks in the first place
also yeah, this isnt
real punk, but thats mostly because the political
and cultural zeitgeist that created punk isn't here
anymore, not because of the message of this
particular song
kids with anime avatars
and all kinds of mental diseases in their bios
accusing a song of nazism. the film "borat" is way
more offensive than this song but has a 3.33 rating
here. that's the hypocrisy of an average RYMer. you
find no trouble about laughing at a whole nation
living on another continent, but when somebody are
making fun of you WATCH OUT IT'S NAZISM AND
MISOGYNY!
Even if this is all
just a joke, doesn't change the fact that the song
itself is bad and it isn't particularly funny
anyway. Attempting to go for a comedic approach
doesn't automatically absolve something of all
criticism.
"people sayin negative
xp is “punk af” bc he makes ppl angry conveniently
forgetting that punk is by definition a leftist
thought"
seems like you forgot that movements like Oi! or
RAC existed in the past
+ the fact that punk was primally a leftist
movement does not prevent people from other polical
views to have similar attitude or get similar
thoughts like rebellion or anti-consumerism
"how is mocking egirls
/ art hoes misogynistic they're just pathetic"
I could understand this if the characteristics of
the woman in the song weren't so generic it could
be any woman. Oh no she drinks, dyes her hair, and
has sex what a threat to society! Punk artists have
made tracks like this before about groups but
usually they actually had a point and didn't go
after the easiest group possible.
I mean, he basically made this song again, but
retitled it "Toonami Ruined a Whole Generation of
Manchildren". And no one was butthurt on that one.
At least the weebs got a sense of humor.
ironically this
describes RYMers more than the target person it
describes [2] ngl i would date one of you guys if
ever was on a self-destructive spiral
if people didn't like
this as a pop punk song
it wouldnt work in any other genre, its not like
people from other genres are this mentally ahead of
the curve
>when paul joseph
watson said "Conservatism is the NEW punk rock" is
this what he meant by?
You do realise he's one of the least credible
people ever when it comes to music?
"Negative XP is the
modern day GG Allin"
Except GG Allin was based, epic, funny, and insane.
He was actually shocking, transgressive, and his
music was pretty good. Negative XP just sucks.
Nothing he does is new, shocking, or transgressive
and nothing he makes sounds good.
shitting your pants and
then cutting yourself and smashing your head until
you start bleeding on a stage isn't transgressive
it's just mental illness and you should be
institutionalized
You could say the same
for many performance artists. Some of what
Throbbing Gristle did is arguably worse, but
they're still one of the most important groups in
contemporary music.
Except that line of
thinking never works and people just believe you're
a self absorbed idiot. Instead of running on
autopilot with the idea that everything you're not
familiar with isn't important, try going to the
store and buying some fresh bread and some good
cheese or roast beef. And then stick it up your
ass
even if the line of
thinking doesnt work given enough time and
education by others on bands who are important it
will start working
its selt-fulfilling
and i dont know what
you mean about "he probably doesn't know about
developing your own taste and exploring music
yourself" because i spend half my time on this site
digging through lists and people's ratings trying
to find new music to listen to
So a stupid harmless joke song made by some dude in
his bedroom is comparable to a severely mentally
ill individual who openly admitted to multiple
counts of rape, defecated on stage, self-mutilated
on stage, assaulted the audience, etc. etc.?
Right...
"this guy's only 10s
are skinny fists and twin fantasy so he probably
doesn't know about developing your own taste and
exploring music yourself"
I don't know what the context to this comment is
but this is such a mind-numbingly retarded
take
@Frull my guy I
wouldn't exactly call this a "harmless joke song"
since misogyny is so unbelievably rampant amongst
the type of people this song is supposed to appeal
to and all it does is reinforce that. I wouldn't
want to be within 10 feet of a guy that likes this
song.
"this guy's only 10s
are skinny fists and twin fantasy so he probably
doesn't know about developing your own taste and
exploring music yourself" Pretty immature ad
hominem dude, I guess if people like albums that
are popular they're bad
i couldn't give a shit
about this song but it's genuinely funny how much
of a shit storm this caused. "a smart man bases his
political opinions on his beliefs, a wise man bases
them on who he is trolling"
"This isn't a very good
song but I can't help but respect it for how much
it pisses people off." imagine being this lame that
the only thing that gets you off is trolling the
liberals or whatever
i remember listening to
this in 2019 and thinking it wasn't terrible but
the lyrics were awful and now i tried listening to
it and couldn't help but close the soundcloud tab
after the guy sang the first line
Yes, a box office
failure that only nerds watched about a bassist
that falls in love with some girl that’s turning
her life around and actually learning for mistakes,
is responsible for ruining an entire generation of
women
...some of you guys
respect songs based on how much they piss people
off? that's kinda weird ngl, unless youre like 12,
then i apologize, bc thats pretty normal for a 12
yr old.
...some of you guys
respect songs based on how much they piss people
off? that's kinda weird ngl, unless youre like 12,
then i apologize, bc thats pretty normal for a 12
yr old. [2]
...some of you guys
respect songs based on how much they piss people
off? that's kinda weird ngl, unless youre like 12,
then i apologize, bc thats pretty normal for a 12
yr old. [3]
...some of you guys
respect songs based on how much they piss people
off? that's kinda weird ngl, unless youre like 12,
then i apologize, bc thats pretty normal for a 12
yr old. [4]
"i have a feeling
JGar40 is a closet fan, or wants to get mad"
I just frequently revisit comment boxes on this
site that I know are going to have drama. I'm
terminally online but please don't accuse me of
being a fan of incel music. And I don't have the
energy for getting mad at man children.
Did Scott Pilgrim ruin
a generation of women? No of course not. Now if
you'll excuse me I gotta find me a mommy gf who
cooks, cleans, doesn't lie, and doesn't eat hot
chip.
that remote_viewer
review is a huge yikes.
trying to make fun of the people who dislike the
song in 3 quotes. the 2nd one is weirdly
transphobic and the 3rd one gives "nazi punk"
vibes.
nazi punks
nazi punks
nazi punks
fuck off
Negative XP is the type
of dude to say the N-Word and spray hentai on the
walls of a dead tf2 lobby, and then say "it's just
a joke dude" when people call him out on his
bullshit.
Negative XP is the type
of dude to say the N-Word and spray hentai on the
walls of a dead tf2 lobby, and then say "it's just
a joke dude" when people call him out on his
bullshit. [2]
Negative XP is the type
of dude to say the N-Word and spray hentai on the
walls of a dead tf2 lobby, and then say "it's just
a joke dude" when people call him out on his
bullshit. [3]
Negative XP is the type
of dude to say the N-Word and spray hentai on the
walls of a dead tf2 lobby, and then say "it's just
a joke dude" when people call him out on his
bullshit. [4]
"...some of you guys
respect songs based on how much they piss people
off? that's kinda weird ngl, unless youre like 12,
then i apologize, bc thats pretty normal for a 12
yr old." I agree completely but the type of people
that say this about this song usually do the exact
same thing with songs like WAP
the music is bad, but
the lyrics are the best and entertaining; the other
songs of negative xp are even worst than this (bad
everything), with really boring lyrics, but "Scott
Pilgrim vs. the World Ruined a Whole Generation of
Women" is his only song that is good for the iconic
lyrics, because the instrumental is still bad, but
better than in his other releases; either way, very
entertaining
gave your review a read
Magical_Monkey. nice
write-up, but there are a few things I wanna poke
at:
I agree with the notion that punk is not an
"ahistorical constant", yet it seems confusing to
make this point & proceed to consider NXP as punk
only in appearance based upon a "lack of message".
If punk were truly not an ahistorical constant,
couldn't the shape of "punk" come in unexpected
forms over time? NXP certainly isn't fighting for
anything concrete on this song, yet he seems to
showcase a holistic critique of all parties
involved. The "jezebel", the "white boy" who
enables the jezebel, the "incel", who'd "still hit"
if he could, but is too self conscious &
misanthropic to act naturally (most roasting NXP
doesn't seem to understand that he makes fun of
himself in the same exact way by making this
song, what does that say of the sincere fan
playing this on repeat?). By amplifying the
grotesque parts of the characters involved, he
certainly isn't providing any answer to this
dilemma, but is he really providing no message
at all?
This certainly isn't punk in the historical sense,
yet it seems hard to remain truly faithful to the
past when 1) yesterday's counter-culture has flowed
into today's (fading) monoculture, 2) The consumer
can now understand a much higher degree of
irony/abstractions 3) 20th century man was simply
much tougher than their 21st century cohort. If
enough people believe this to be punk
expression, who are we to be so quick to point to
the past & say otherwise? (even if we must do the
work of expressing why in a more descriptive
way than a NXP fan would).
Lastly, this line had really piqued my interest.
"we should take this moment to think about how we
can reclaim the aesthetics of transgression and the
politics of rebellion". To the avg. liberal/left
types (i am not pegging you in either of these
categories), this question seems almost
inconceivable, yet is totally necessary if this
grouping doesn't want to find themselves outflanked
in the race of "progress" by the so-called
"alt-right" ('alt-right' is a troublesome term for
me, it seems more strongly defined by what it
isn't. There's no way i'd even consider NXP
& Ben Shapiro as remotely "compatible" without this
term, but I understand what you mean when you use
this term). "Cruelty as critique" seems to be
en-vogue regardless of political affiliation,
especially when the critique revels in the supposed
mud pit it's critiquing (a true rehabilitation of
incels would require a good bit more empathy
on all fronts, even if we do not think they are
deserving of it). In an age where classic
Boomer/Xer irony has run stale, can we really run
the clock back & revive this form? If not, do you
see a way we can move past the growing pains of
"cruelty" without just ignoring it?
EDWARD_FLEX, hey man, thanks
for reading my review and for responding
thoughtfully, you raise some interesting critiques
and I appreciate that. I’ll reply below.
As to your first point: you’re right that “punk”
could come in many shapes, as you say, depending on
the historical moment. My critique about this song
for appearing to be punk was made with this
in mind, because part of why I don’t like this song
is that it tries to mimic dead forms of punk; it’s
precisely an inability to “break out” and be
something unexpected that weakens this song “as
punk”. That said, I’m in favour of retiring the
word “punk” altogether, if I had it my way, I think
the continued reliance on “punk” in both left- and
right-leaning circles is a crutch and displays a
lack of imagination more than anything. I have a
great deal of respect for punk, but as I argue, it
belongs in the annals of history, to be respected
and revered but left alone like an old painting, at
least in the museum, it is properly situated in its
historical context; take punk “out of history” and
Negative XP is the natural result — an empty shell
of imitation with nothing “behind” it. And is he
providing no message at all? Well, there is a
message, but that message is just a vague,
generalised disgust. You mention that he’s
providing a “critique of all parties involved”, my
question is: involved in what? That’s the
problem: the people that Negative XP hates are
just… Normal people. Oh, the girl wears winged
eyeliner? So fucking what. And yes, he’s disgusted
with himself. That doesn’t ameliorate his position.
As you pointed out, we live in an era of irony, and
so Negative XP can hate himself in a
tongue-in-cheek way, and run a coward’s defence of
saying “haha, it was ironic”, but this
doesn’t absolve him from the cruelty inherent in
this song.
“Punk” is over. It’s dead. You mention that it’s
hard for this song to remain faithful to the past
and I would turn that comment upside-down and say
that the fact that this song even tries to do that
is indicative of its impotence. Stealing the sound
of old punk is safe and easy, and dressing
it up in the non-politics of the Internet alt-right
is nothing exciting either (I agree with you that
the term “alt-right” sucks, but I can’t think of a
new word on the spot). But you are right to point
out that a lot of people still find
something in this song, and they do find
something in this imitation of old punk that
masquerades as “new punk”. There are a lot of
reasons why this happens, but I think it is a
manifestly bad outcome, because it tricks people
into mistaking the aesthetics of critique for the
critique itself. Ergo, the act of listening to
“offensive” punk music becomes the end of the
criticism rather than the means to a constructive
outcome.
You mention that “cruelty as critique” is in vogue
and I think that is precisely why it’s not an
effective mode of critique. It's played-out, and it
is boring. And this isn’t limited to right-leaning
guys like Negative XP either: all the Twitter Blue
Check™ losers who act as if incels are subhuman
defects that ought to be euthanized; that sort of
rhetoric only strengthens the adverse social
conditions that gave birth to the incel. And you
say that we need empathy to rehabilitate the
incels, and I completely agree. The incel is a
product of adverse social and economic conditions,
and those social and economic conditions ought to
be criticised. But the girl with the winged
eyeliner didn’t do anything. She didn’t lock you in
your mother’s basement, she didn’t fail you out of
university, she didn’t erode your self-esteem or
make you work for minimum wage for long hours, she
didn’t fill your head with nonsense about being
“height-mogged” or your weak jawline, she wasn’t
the one who forced you to watch all that hentai.
The incel did that to himself. Why? Because living
in this world is fucking hard, man. And it’s easy
to fall off, and it’s easy to fall into the pit of
self-loathing and disgust at the external world.
But the incel is responsible for his own actions
and how he interacts with the world, the incel is a
fucking adult even if he wants to pretend like he’s
an infant, and that is why I’m harsh on this
song.
My answer to your final question: leave punk in the
dustbin of history. I don’t know how to move past
the growing pains of cruelty. I don’t have all the
answers. There’s a lot of art out there that is
simultaneously rebellious and empathetic,
transgressive but meaningful. There’s a lot of good
art that expresses new responses to new problems,
but there isn’t enough of it, there’s a huge lack,
in fact, and you’re not going to find the little
that is out there by continuously trying to
resuscitate old ways of doing politics.
Thank you for taking
proper care to respond comprehensively & aid in
putting this box thru chemo, I agree with you that
this isn't 'punk', but I perhaps come to that
conclusion at another direction (pop punk parody !=
punk in the sense that we're talking about it).
That being said, this desire to co-opt punk to
seize some romanticized position of being the
underdog is certainly something to remain wary of
in our time (though I'm not too sure if NXP is
touting himself as one of the "new punks", seems to
be a symptom of his more low-quality fans).
To answer "involved in what", i'll first have to
push back a little on this statement: "That’s the
problem: the people that Negative XP hates are
just… Normal people."
Though this type of person has certainly been
'normalized' to an extent, I wouldn't jump to call
them normal (at the very least, if numbing
onesself out through SSRIs, rampant stonerism, and
hyper-promiscuity are seriously considered as
normal behavior, then we're in some serious
trouble, but I digress, we both know he's being
hyperbolic). Him sticking only with the descriptive
is a sign to me that NXP notices a problem, but
doesn't have an answer. I would say where NXP
is weak in this sort of critique is that he flies
too close to the sun, the wrong message (hate
women) is a much more obvious choice compared to
the more reasonable message one could grab from
this song (stop enabling garbage women). I don't
think NXP is being insincere when he hates this
assembled caricature, that 'riding the line' sort
of cajoling seems more fit for an "alt-left"
(whatever they call themselves these days), but any
hatred he delivers is returned to himself two-fold
with every "But honestly, I'd still hit if I
could", This is the precise reason that I read so
heavily into the description "and michael cera
ruined a whole generation of white boys", I
wouldn't be surprised if NXP is also speaking a
little to himself when he writes this. To avoid
direct contact with any potential landmines, I'll
simply leave this at "any undesirable features
within women in general are so because of the past
behavior of men", perhaps a necessary lesson in
stopping such a feedback loop.
Though I can understand, and respect your stance on
punk, the (perhaps sad) reality is that it will
not be left in the dustbin of history, as
most are living in the past. This leaves us with
the (perhaps rhetorical) "How do we progress from
here? Can we even make a horse drink from the fresh
waters of the present?"
EDWARD_FLEX, hey man,
thanks for reading my review and for responding
thoughtfully, you raise some interesting critiques
and I appreciate that. I’ll reply below.
As to your first point: you’re right that “punk”
could come in many shapes, as you say, depending on
the historical moment. My critique about this song
for appearing to be punk was made with this in
mind, because part of why I don’t like this song is
that it tries to mimic dead forms of punk; it’s
precisely an inability to “break out” and be
something unexpected that weakens this song “as
punk”. That said, I’m in favour of retiring the
word “punk” altogether, if I had it my way, I think
the continued reliance on “punk” in both left- and
right-leaning circles is a crutch and displays a
lack of imagination more than anything. I have a
great deal of respect for punk, but as I argue, it
belongs in the annals of history, to be respected
and revered but left alone like an old painting, at
least in the museum, it is properly situated in its
historical context; take punk “out of history” and
Negative XP is the natural result — an empty shell
of imitation with nothing “behind” it. And is he
providing no message at all? Well, there is a
message, but that message is just a vague,
generalised disgust. You mention that he’s
providing a “critique of all parties involved”, my
question is: involved in what? That’s the problem:
the people that Negative XP hates are just… Normal
people. Oh, the girl wears winged eyeliner? So
fucking what. And yes, he’s disgusted with himself.
That doesn’t ameliorate his position. As you
pointed out, we live in an era of irony, and so
Negative XP can hate himself in a tongue-in-cheek
way, and run a coward’s defence of saying “haha, it
was ironic”, but this doesn’t absolve him from the
cruelty inherent in this song.
“Punk” is over. It’s dead. You mention that it’s
hard for this song to remain faithful to the past
and I would turn that comment upside-down and say
that the fact that this song even tries to do that
is indicative of its impotence. Stealing the sound
of old punk is safe and easy, and dressing it up in
the non-politics of the Internet alt-right is
nothing exciting either (I agree with you that the
term “alt-right” sucks, but I can’t think of a new
word on the spot). But you are right to point out
that a lot of people still find something in this
song, and they do find something in this imitation
of old punk that masquerades as “new punk”. There
are a lot of reasons why this happens, but I think
it is a manifestly bad outcome, because it tricks
people into mistaking the aesthetics of critique
for the critique itself. Ergo, the act of listening
to “offensive” punk music becomes the end of the
criticism rather than the means to a constructive
outcome.
You mention that “cruelty as critique” is in vogue
and I think that is precisely why it’s not an
effective mode of critique. It's played-out, and it
is boring. And this isn’t limited to right-leaning
guys like Negative XP either: all the Twitter Blue
Check™ losers who act as if incels are subhuman
defects that ought to be euthanized; that sort of
rhetoric only strengthens the adverse social
conditions that gave birth to the incel. And you
say that we need empathy to rehabilitate the
incels, and I completely agree. The incel is a
product of adverse social and economic conditions,
and those social and economic conditions ought to
be criticised. But the girl with the winged
eyeliner didn’t do anything. She didn’t lock you in
your mother’s basement, she didn’t fail you out of
university, she didn’t erode your self-esteem or
make you work for minimum wage for long hours, she
didn’t fill your head with nonsense about being
“height-mogged” or your weak jawline, she wasn’t
the one who forced you to watch all that hentai.
The incel did that to himself. Why? Because living
in this world is fucking hard, man. And it’s easy
to fall off, and it’s easy to fall into the pit of
self-loathing and disgust at the external world.
But the incel is responsible for his own actions
and how he interacts with the world, the incel is a
fucking adult even if he wants to pretend like he’s
an infant, and that is why I’m harsh on this
song.
My answer to your final question: leave punk in the
dustbin of history. I don’t know how to move past
the growing pains of cruelty. I don’t have all the
answers. There’s a lot of art out there that is
simultaneously rebellious and empathetic,
transgressive but meaningful. There’s a lot of good
art that expresses new responses to new problems,
but there isn’t enough of it, there’s a huge lack,
in fact, and you’re not going to find the little
that is out there by continuously trying to
resuscitate old ways of doing politics.
Thank you for taking proper care to respond
comprehensively & aid in putting this box thru
chemo, I agree with you that this isn't 'punk', but
I perhaps come to that conclusion at another
direction (pop punk parody != punk in the sense
that we're talking about it). That being said, this
desire to co-opt punk to seize some romanticized
position of being the underdog is certainly
something to remain wary of in our time (though I'm
not too sure if NXP is touting himself as one of
the "new punks", seems to be a symptom of his more
low-quality fans).
To answer "involved in what", i'll first have to
push back a little on this statement: "That’s the
problem: the people that Negative XP hates are
just… Normal people."
Though this type of person has certainly been
'normalized' to an extent, I wouldn't jump to call
them normal (at the very least, if numbing onesself
out through SSRIs, rampant stonerism, and
hyper-promiscuity are seriously considered as
normal behavior, then we're in some serious
trouble, but I digress, we both know he's being
hyperbolic). Him sticking only with the descriptive
is a sign to me that NXP notices a problem, but
doesn't have an answer. I would say where NXP is
weak in this sort of critique is that he flies too
close to the sun, the wrong message (hate women) is
a much more obvious choice compared to the more
reasonable message one could grab from this song
(stop enabling garbage women). I don't think NXP is
being insincere when he hates this assembled
caricature, that 'riding the line' sort of cajoling
seems more fit for an "alt-left" (whatever they
call themselves these days), but any hatred he
delivers is returned to himself two-fold with every
"But honestly, I'd still hit if I could", This is
the precise reason that I read so heavily into the
description "and michael cera ruined a whole
generation of white boys", I wouldn't be surprised
if NXP is also speaking a little to himself when he
writes this. To avoid direct contact with any
potential landmines, I'll simply leave this at "any
undesirable features within women in general are so
because of the past behavior of men", perhaps a
necessary lesson in stopping such a feedback
loop.
Though I can understand, and respect your stance on
punk, the (perhaps sad) reality is that it will not
be left in the dustbin of history, as most are
living in the past. This leaves us with the
(perhaps rhetorical) "How do we progress from here?
Can we even make a horse drink from the fresh
waters of the present?"
if i could only listen
to this or that "i'd rather die than hook up with
another straight white guy" song for the rest of my
life i'd choose the latter
While there are some
interesting points being made here about the
cultural relevance of the punk movement in our
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the lyrics are the only
highlight of this song, the instrumentals are
catchy but underwhelming and bad, altough is better
than all of the other negative xp songs, is his
best song because his others are really awful,
atleast this one has great lyrics that fits well
with the catchy generic sound
the part of the lyrics
that i dont enjoy are "thirty years old but act
like she is 16" and when he says "pedowood",
because does not make a lot of sense, the subject
of the song can be of about any age, not
especifically towards a thirty year old; he also
talks a lot about "bongs" on the lyrics because not
all of the ones who are subjects of this song
necessarily smoke, which is another flaw, otherwise
the lyrics are great, these minor flaws are the
only things that make it not perfect, because this
parts of the lyrics are the only bad parts about
it. The hyperbolic title is cool too.
The line "only
pedophiles in denial would think she is worthwhile"
i also dislike, so there are 3 lines in general
that i dislike, but i still cant help but love even
if is not perfect; it would be great to have a
album with the same type of lyrics, but a good
album (different of negative xp because his albums
are bad) with genuine pop punk and garage punk
influences, unfortunately this song remains rather
unique.
The "pedofiles in
denial" line of the lyrics is also awful, so there
are 4 flawed parts on the lyrics, if taken out the
lyrics are good but unfortunately the lyrics are
not angry enough.
even with the imperfect
parts of the lyrics, the lyrics continues to be
very good, but as i said before, he needed to
invest more with the general aspect of the lyrics,
maybe make it more angry, but either the way the
lyrics are great, unfortunately negative xp this
was the only good lyrics that he wrote, his other
songs have very bad even instrumentally. The
problem is not being "incel-core", but not being
incel enough, which is underwhelming, but i already
explained the flawed lines of the lyrics on the
comments. Even then, the song is still very good,
the instrumental is typical, bland and catchy,
while his vocals not only blend well with the
lyrics, but the lyrics are greatly entertaining and
has a conscious and great message to it that lacks
a bit of general anger, but is simply impossible to
dislike this song, altough his other songs are
really awful this one is a exception, and a great
one on it.
when did RYM became
invaded by so many normalfgs? go listen to Lana
billie minaj doja cat while screaming yasss queen
slayy!! no one cares you all have shit taste and
are brainwashed by mainstream media
punk was a specifically
leftist movement back in the olde days and just
because it's been co-opted does not mean that you
can suddenly apply the label to things that it
isn't. we still call it Alternative and Indie even
though they definitely are not either of those
things because they describe a sound more than a
type of artist
Relating to that
comment, I'm more curious how the idea became
popular that the mainstream is anything but right
wing in both the United States and especially in
the global community. The world is socially
conservative, the president is capitalist, society
still has massive stigmas against sexual freedom
(that's related to the topic of this song), gender
roles are still very set in place,
heteronormativity is the status quo. Like what the
fuck are conservative punks rebelling against?
Change? Even though punk has always promoted
change? I'm not all that confident in what my own
views are, and I don't wanna pull out some "overton
window" mumbo jumbo, but seems to me people don't
feel safe if they're not always playing
victim.
Also lol'ing at the
review comparing this to California Uber Alles
because they know jack shit about punk. This is
moreso descended from Descendents (which is actually a band
I like tbf).
Adding to my previous
comments, the lyrics are the only appeal of it,
because the song itself, the instrumentals and
mixing, are pretty bad; also, altough the feelings
of it are nice, Negative Xp is against the
agressive tone of his fanbase, which makes the
anger on the song at the same time less genuine,
which is unfortunate; the line about "pedo in
denial" is also pretty bad and does not help this
song.
I wish this song were better overall and the lyrics
were improved because of very obvious lines that
hurt the message and description of it. Also,
Negative Xp is not genuine and his image is a
persona, which makes the impact of the song to be
underwhelming.
Relating to that
comment, I'm more curious how the idea became
popular that the mainstream is anything but left
wing in both the United States and especially in
the western community. The western world is
socially liberal, the president is a meatshield for
his team & journalistic policy proposals, society
has faced (increasingly commercialized) chaos in
the face of sexual liberation (that's related to
the topic of this song), tradition built for
millennia are being lost in generations,
questioning heteronormativity is the status quo.
Like what the fuck are reactionary punks rebelling
against? The status quo? Even though punk has
always promoted this status quo? I'm not all that
confident in what my own views are, and I don't
wanna pull out some "capitalist realist" mumbo
jumbo, but seems to me people don't feel safe if
they can't ontologize, legitimize, and monetize
their increasingly degenerate ventures
@Serif I believe
@EDWARD_FLEX was quite clear in what he said. The
social status quo in the Western world has been
progressively moving left (pun not intended) for
some time, seen thru their biggest supporters,
neoliberals from either side of the identifying
spectrum (so-called democrats and conservatives.
Each nation has their own faux-division but
America's is one of the most pronounced with how
much of a difference they believe they have from
"the other side" compared to what they actually
uphold). Their beliefs only exist to change the
face of the nation as much as a Marvel fan's
desires for the next film actually affect their
outcome: a pendulum that appears to be swinging off
the back's of their political activism in the
direction they sweat to achieve, yet they fail to
notice the pendulum's base is quietly being pulled
from under them to the left a few inches each year
with or without them. These silent changes behind
the scenes are necessary to keep them chewing their
popcorn and angrily tweeting in favour or against
the newest conservative lawmaker's anti-abortion
bills, which also only exist as a publicity stunt
to make the "left" publicity stunts look far more
important than they actually are, while "both"
sides' politicians keep living their comfy lives
full of kickbacks, taking turns receiving social
media beatings that fizzle out in a few weeks.
With this in mind, is it not punk to pretend you
don't accept the status quo, and scream and shout
into the void which will only respond with "lol
incel"? Either you don't understand the status quo
exists (and are thus actively participating in
upholding it), you see it fully and hopelessly try
to awaken people who are just merely pushing the
pendulum's arm back and forth (which is just as
sisyphusian as participating in the pushing), or
you hopelessly cry about it while displaying how
disillusioned genuine incels are from the whole
system (for better or for worse), using their
identity as a launching pad to say all of this very
clearly in a 3 and a half minute song? Is refusing
to participate in the two, hopeless political
journeys not what punk was always about?
observe how the
(worldwide) anglicized forgo empathizing with the
voice of the unheard in exchange for detached
one-liners, equally cheap as their stunted sense of
romance which fuels “incel” (hopeless romantic)
hatred. the free can see the damage done by these
serf’s socialized whip-masters, but no free man can
ever understand why these serfs wish to be
subjugated by the illusory
It's interesting how
you adapted the "in both the United States and
especially in the global community" part of my
statement because you know 99% of the world is not
liberal.
The funny thing is that
I actually do agree that the aggressive tactics of
society to dehumanize incels, in turn create
incels, but the way you're expressing it is just
pathetic. Specifically "serf's whipmasters".
1 no amount of whiggery
or fingerwagging will convince the "world" that
they're all spiritual Americans 2 you seem to enjoy
the pain, at least enough to miss the true nature
of the incel question (reaction against egregore
"mandated" promiscuity) 3 didn't really think about
it, certainly not enough to change "has" to "had"
but thanks anyways 4 he really does, and it makes
complete sense considering your position as a
sunset imperialist why you wouldn't want to be
apathetic as the magnificent american charter bus
(mostly due leftward since the bank of amsterdam)
runs low on gas
tell me JGar, you don't seriously wish to sit
around worshipping ash until the sparks of
greatness are lost forever like tears in the rain,
do you? In this sense, this song is a
warning, and it's only gonna get worse if we
continue down this path
Great lyrics, altough
some lines of it do not fit with the message, like
i said on a previous comment of mine; the main flaw
of this song is the bad quality of the mixing and
production, which is common for a Negative Xp,
since his songs are awful from a technical
standpoint in general.
1. "mandated
promiscuity" where? when? how? Explain how you
personally, or men or women as a whole are
obligated to be promiscuous. You can nitpick some
celebrity getting famous for their ass but I see
nothing indicating that as a general societal trend
it is at all mandatory.
2. I'm a sunset imperialist, thank you for the
random ad hom that isn't connected to anything I
said. Of course, I find this laughable as I
actually am quite isolationist but I don't expect
you to believe otherwise, b/c there is nothing to
extrapolate about me. I don't believe in total
political apathy anywhere in the world, it is
nihilistic, I explicitly focused on the
world because I do not much appreciate how
everything is about the US online. But to go back
to US politics, apathy creates mobs of Bernie
supporters complaining about how fascists are
attacking them, which there may well be truth to,
when all several million of them had rights they
chose not to exercise because they don't believe in
"complicity with the system". Those people are
pathetic to me. Also again I thought the argument
code_gs raised was at least interesting. My point I
suppose is you don't have to be part of any so
called movement to stand for change and against the
status quo on an individual level. That is
punk and it is not apathetic.
"tell me JGar, you don't seriously wish to sit
around worshipping ash until the sparks of
greatness are lost forever like tears in the rain,
do you?"
This will be one piece of actual criticism at your
character, can you please stop speaking in Ayn
Randian prose? The melodrama doesn't help your
case.
You're right,
promiscuity is not mandated by force (though
I never said it was in the first place). By
egregore "mandated" promiscuity, I mean to
highlight that the "mandatory" nature of it is
completely illusory, that people are drawn to
promiscuous, self-destructive, high time preference
(whatever slew of terms you want to call it)
behavior through social coercion
(oversocialization, leading to a feeling of
"missing the spectacle"). This is in essence the
bread and butter of American Imperialism, it
escapes accountability through its lack of overt
force, preferring to whip you in shape through
suggestion. Unlike direct, physical force, this
evolved form of indirect rule creates two
controlled buckets for those who interact with the
payload. You have the egregore's missionaries,
in-authentically parroting its message, and the
"resistance" (really useful idiots fueling the
egregore by legitimizing its motives) desperately
trying to occupy its opposite & viciously destroy
it. NXP caricatures the end result of both in this
song w.r.t. sexual dynamics (again, "i'd still hit
if I could" is certainly no solution, just leaning
into the chaos acting as "villain"). In other
words, this "right" you rally against is eternal,
built into liberalism as its pet loser.
Yes, you are (presently displaying yourself as) a
sunset imperialist. Though I believe you 100% when
you say that you are "isolationist" (I personally
know very few who are not pacifists!), this sadly
doesn't absolve you from imperialism, it just
showcases its waning power (hence "sunset"). It's
essentially what Winston Churchill, or FDR wanted
with a larger emphasis on decentralization, which
hides/obfuscates any of the dirty work necessary to
maintain such an unnatural system (any quarrel
against this should try to explain how the shift
towards progress laid out in your 27th Feb post is
conducive to a healthier world outside of the
occident, try Libya if you're feeling frisky).
You are tacitly supporting liberal hegemony by
using its language & slogans which motivate its
action, even though its "enemies" only exist today
as ghosts. This idea that there even exists true
mainstream resistance to the position you hold is
completely laughable, you don't even have to go
back to the 20th (or 19th) century to see how even
this specter of the right had faded, just observe
pre-2010 media. This refinement of whiggery is
precisely why there stands no strong opposition,
why play a game you can't win? Observe how
republicans essentially play ball, occasionally
taking up losing positions to remind their
increasingly schizophrenic constituents of their
position as the romanticized loser, growing
ever-less romantic to non-schizophrenics over time
(semi-related anecdote: I personally know a
government contractor who painted a trans flag &
missile rick on one of their missiles). The
complimentary schizophrenic "liberal", time and
time again, believes this to be a genuine threat,
reinforcing hegemony in this cycle.To engage &
legitimize this cycle is to continually propagate &
refine it. This (refinement leading to total
propagation of diluted power) is particularly
evident when your only "negative" examples of
inaction are "pathetic" people who are seemingly on
your side (bernie bros, in reality, are undercooked
republicans) not voting in line with your desire
(as an aside: avoiding "complicity with the system"
is actually rhetorically weak, like saying you
don't smoke meth to avoid the stimulant industry.
Its better to highlight that one doesn't smoke meth
because its self-destructive, that the
methsm0ker is not complicit, but victim).
This is the folly of "decentralized imperialism",
the two wings of the same bird experiencing
atrophy, each individual cell increasing disorder.
a network of loosely aligned individual kings
decreeing their morals, no longer vicious enough to
join a movement and coerce, shouting into the void
during an imperceptibly slow death, though
miraculously landing in meek lockstep. Please note
that I do not hold any of this against you! I
completely agree with your point that "you don't
have to be part of any so called movement to stand
for change and against the status quo on an
individual level". I'm simply asking you to
consider how you were guided to this hill that you
are defending.
"It seems to me your main complaint with the world
is that OnlyFans exists." is pure nonsense, equal
to a bot generated response at best (though it's a
good template, I may have to use it sometime). if
it isn't clear at this point, my only suggestion to
someone who struggles to deal with some reality
like OnlyFans is to do a 360 and Just Walk Away
From The Screen Hahahahahahahaha. Engagement with
the viral, for or against, simply extends its
reach.
btw I have never read a word Ayn Rand, so I can't
really comment on this little dig. I will say this
though: I write as I please because it's fun, and
in a way, i had been celebrating the time we have
before this box gets destroyed, can you say the
same?
"i had been celebrating
the time we have before this box gets destroyed,
can you say the same?"
This is reasonable and for both our goods, I'll
probably refrain from making more large claims and
rebuttals, been through this wheelhouse. Sure I can
theorize on how I've been led to my "late
stage/sunset imperialism" views but what good will
theorizing really do?
"The complimentary schizophrenic "liberal", time
and time again, believes this to be a genuine
threat, reinforcing hegemony in this cycle.To
engage & legitimize this cycle is to continually
propagate & refine it."
I should note that I find this statement agreeable,
liberals do absolutely everything in their power to
keep the pendulum in motion, but the way forward
shouldn't be ceasing to acknowledge existing ideas
altogether or failing to promote your own. All this
aside, I think you give NXP too much credit in
regards to authorial intent. Your comment was a bit
more clear this time but the connection between
cultural promiscuity and imperialism is shaky to
say the least.
EDWARD, you have a
somewhat sophisticated critique of American
imperialism, but your historical understanding of
the process of this imperialism is
all-over-the-place and you seem to have this
bizarre tendency to equate "progress" with both
"neoliberalism", American hegemony, and "the left",
simultaneously. This makes no sense unless, I
dunno, you are writing from the perspective of a
reactionary literary critique in the 1960s or
something. What gives? Is the left an actual "thing
that exists" or is it a purely aesthetic artefact?
Kaczynski and Moldbug (strong unaccredited
influences?), two thinkers with a strong conceptual
understanding of "the system" but who had
absolutely no understanding of economics or "real"
politics made very similar conflations.
At this point, I feel like I've said my piece and I
don't have much to add (at least in the confines of
this comment box). But with this last slew of
posts, I am trying to get a grip. What exactly are
you arguing for?
"somewhat
sophisticated" is perhaps the best i can hope for
in a rym comment which begs the question of a
character limit. though i wasn't thinking of
kaczynski when bangin these out, his idea of the
self-propagating system is certainly applicable
here.
tbqh, my only intention when re-entering this box
was to make an equally schizophrenic opposite to
jgar's post. I really hate using these terms
(progress/neoliberalism/american hegemony/the left)
because they have meant numerous things throughout
history, and can really mean a lot of things to
different people now (for instance, when i say "the
left", i really do mean it in the moldbug/kaczynski
sense of "disorder", but this isn't obvious at all
unless you're familiar with that sort of
perspective). This continual weaseling of words
allows us to rehash the same conversations over and
over again ad nauseum. Perhaps all of this could
likely be simplified (at the risk of excessive
moldbuggery) to spiritual whiggery, I just can't
help but notice the evil which this blind march
towards "progress" (whatever we call it) manifests.
I think the discussion of "real" politics or
economics is certainly an interesting one which i
have some thoughts over, though it's probably best
to keep such a discussion outside of this box as
that angle really doesn't apply much to this song
at all (my weak links to NXP in every comment thus
far has really been a test for the mods, are they
really reading this? or did they skim it, see
"NXP", and move on?).
to make it 5/5 (in response to JGar), I did not
mean at all to imply that NXP thought of any of
this as he made the song, he'd likely tell everyone
to STFU if he saw this box, but this is what I
notice in his work. "cultural promiscuity" to me is
simply an internal organ of american imperialism,
the power of sex can serve to demoralize and
atomize people, especially when the underlying
connection between partners is ephemeral. In any
case, it's interesting to note that people in the
past actually had more sex than their
contemporary counterpart, just less partners (i
think this is a good thing! people should
have more sex, they should just be having sex with
the people they love).
I think the fact that this is reminiscent of a
"60's reactionary critique" is natural considering
the phase of culture that we're in, living in the
shadow of the 20th century. Consider McLuhan in
this light, do you think people (in general) heeded
the warning that the "medium is the
message/massage"? Did people heed it when extended
to the cyber domain a la SE:L? Ofc the majority
haven't, or else we would've never coined any sort
of terms like "NPC" or "wirehead". Perhaps these
sorts of conversations are doomed to repeat until
they can no longer be relevant (or until there are
no more naive internet users, myself included), but
I think getting ppl past these pitfalls can be
conducive to finding the way out of the 20th
century's shadow. Though there is a clear out for
those who wish to exit archaic economic
conversations (by writing smart contracts), the
political really might just be stuck in 60's-esque
discussion until we can evolve past this paralysis
of ontology (for lack of a better term).
if there really must be a message to my madness,
take it from this:
“Authoritarians talk about protocols, but the only
valid ‘protocol’ would be something like ‘perceive,
think, act.’”
- Raymond Peat, PhD.
Love how the main
response to this is "lol incel", "shut up you
dork", "no bitches???". Goes to show that, despite
the eigen RYMoid's conception of himself as a
"cybergoth queer punk" rebelling against
"capitalist hellword", he is a dyed-in-the-wool
conformist, a schoolmarm at heart.
Spiritual Millennials
have such an odd way of insulting people. Like
they're trying to be the school bully and the
uptight headmistress at the same time.
"tbqh, my only
intention when re-entering this box was to make an
equally schizophrenic opposite to jgar's post. I
really hate using these terms"
You went above and beyond my friend.
"(i think this is a good thing! people should have
more sex, they should just be having sex with the
people they love)"
First off, it is not up to us to determine how
people live their lives and what does it matter if
they love their partners. So long as both involved
understand that it won't amount to more, there is
no issue of being demoralizing. Consider that
marriage and kids were a social obligation for most
and that attending college and then dropping out to
marry a guy 2 years later is not "true love" in any
sense and you will have a far better sense of what
you love at age 29 than 19 as would have happened
in the 1950s. Do not get me wrong, I would love a
permanent monogamous relationship, but it seems to
me that you project your own desires as the
absolute perfect standard of happiness for
everyone. I'd also like to note that this song
first and foremost is memorable for its depiction
of a stereotypical dyed hair girl with body
piercings and what not. That is criticized in the
song and yet does not have to mean anything about
the sex lives of these women. It does means they
have the social right now to appear however they
wish to appear, without being concerned if it makes
them look like a "slut" or not, which I would say
is hardly "minimizing". These elements of their
appearance have far transcended anything
potentially originally sexually deviant about them
(relating to a common criticism that this song is
way too non-specific about this "type of girl") and
have become nothing more than a means of owning
one's own body.
remote_viewer's
comments are case in point about my earlier comment
regarding the fact that people who put significant
stock in the message of this have an incessant need
to imagine themselves as the victim being oppressed
by groups which they caricaturize into absurd
labels. It is a two way street of both kicking by
people who claim that they do what they do because
they are empathetic and miserably pathetic behavior
by the people being criticized. I agree that many
opponents of this song lack the capacity to
critically engage in discussion but you also lack
the capacity for any meaningful self-examination in
light of these "no bitches" comments and take it
far more seriously than you ought to if it's a
vapid comment.
remote_viewer, lmao give me a
break, dude. You complain about the main response
being people saying "lol incel" but your review is
literally just you making fun of the types
of review (such as mine, I guess? Thanks for the +1
btw) that engenders a more "meaningful
response".
EDWARD_FLEX. Sure. I had a
suspicion that your definition of "the left" was
Moldbug's, which means that in the scope of this
discussion, it is more of an aesthetic category
than a political one. "The left" as chaos, or
Dionysus and Apollo, light and darkness, everything
you don't like is simultaneously chaos and the
"status quo", whatever you want. Substitute in "the
market" for a couple of phrases in the body of your
other comments, congratulations, you're now a
Marxist (a French one, probably).
But at the end of the day, you either blame "modern
women" on an individual level, and hold them in
personal contempt for "cultural promiscuity" (or
"rampant stonerism", or taking SSRIs, your list of
gripes goes on), or you don't. The former, and this
song (and your review), makes sense, but then you
can't claim any kind of lofty politics because your
vendetta is personal. The latter, and your wider
critiques might be salvaged from the pits of a
world-view of loathing. This is sort of what I was
getting at when we were discussing "cruelty as
critique", and it runs both ways too, as we can see
by how remote_viewer responded to the "lol incel"
comments.
Precisely why I think the message engendered in
this song is dangerous is because it constructs
"the dyed-haired girl" as an avatar for all the
problems of the modern male (your incel), and you
seem to implicitly sympathise with this. And you
delude yourself into thinking that cruelty towards
this avatar will solve the problems that she
represents for you. But you're chasing phantoms, at
that point, and hurting real people. To be clear: I
am not accusing you of being a cruel person (I
believe you're a decent person and you have engaged
in the discussion respectfully and so on) and I'm
not accusing you of any kind of -ism, but I do
assert that there are implications beyond the song
itself, about why one sympathises with
it.
Magical_Monkey whether i
like it or not makes no difference, any present
"marxism" (I haven't read any of his works
directly, so I'm probably not one to make such a
qualifying statement) is probably downstream from
my preference of a middle way. Though my definition
of the left is likely analogous to someone like
moldbug's, i really use it because it's how "the
left" was originally defined (people like to pose
that "the left" and "the right" have flipped places
since the original definition, but it's really only
the sense of centralization/decentralization which
flipped, at risk of an oversimplified example,
classic anarchy vs. monarchy -> modern socialism
vs. libertarianism, i don't believe that the
post-modern poles have been named yet). In other
words, i'm not allergic to the Dionysian, but i'm
wary of what it entails.
To clear something up, I don't blame women for this
at all, not even when I wrote this original
review (any shaking fists should probably be
directed at their fathers who failed them). I
notice now that I hadn't applied as much attention
to this as I should've (as it's really
applicable to this track), but "bad women" only
exist due to a history of bad men. This "list of
gripes" is really a "list of symptoms" to me.
Again, the line "But honestly I'd still hit if I
could" takes any "critique" of women & returns it
twofold back to men, one can only take any talk of
"sour grapes" so seriously. I empathize with
them because I was once close to taking a similar
path in life, which is funny considering that this
is perhaps the demographic i have been most cruel to
w.r.t. this single (to the person in this
screenshot if they're reading this, i apologize for
being so dismissive, we were all naive at one point
& I shouldn't have knocked you for this). I firmly
believe that both "characters" (caricatures of the
"incel" and the "roastie") in this track
should be shamed if they were to manifest in
these forms, but that, as you warn, such shame
shouldn't come from a place of loathing. It might
seem odd, but I believe you can shame someone out
of love (agape), to prod them a bit over whether
something is helping them or hurting them can
really only be done by someone who cares, right?
For men, this can only be done by example, as if to
say "honestly, you could hit it, but you're an
'incel' because you don't really want to, do you?".
Considering our correspondence & some of the
reviews you've written, I think you understand &
exercise this (if there was any "uncredited
moldbug" in your works, I would certainly point to
the clearpill, but I don't believe in any sort of
IP).
To JGar40, "love" is too vague,
the specific love i mean would be found in greek
words "storge" and "pragma". It certainly isn't up
to me to decide how people live their lives, but
the people would certainly live much more
fulfilling lives if they focused on the long-term
over continually being pulled by the leashes of
eros, or worse, mania. If you can't change how
people live their lives, you certainly can't change
how they think, do you think is this true? I don't,
but I also don't think you can convince everyone to
stop seeing a "slut" where they see a "slut". The
critique of the incel is equally non-specific &
faulty, some "incels" may engage in this sort of
hate, but it is only to their detriment if they do.
To wrap it up, there's something that's sort of
important for us men to remember, women can't truly
consent to casual sex because their "consent" is
predicated on an understanding that the man sticks
around afterward should she desire, even if
they aren't consciously aware of this themselves.
Put this in your pipe & smoke it however you
please.
Though I don't mean to speak for him, I don't think
remote_viewer is talking
about either of you guys (he seems to be referring
to the lazy one liners between our messages).
In-fact, the fact that he makes this post in
defense of my dissent which actually
references deleuze | mcluhan | baudrillard |
debord is not at all coincidental, and you'd be a
fool to think that this is sort of humor is lost
upon him (it's really one of the unspoken points in
his review, the type of person making that thread
is almost certainly talking out of their ass). I
don't think it's charitable to shrug off his
comments over the spiritual nanny (a manifest
crypto anglo-supremacism) simply because he can
extract the essence of the issue in 10x less words
than i've chosen to, consider your recoiling
against his message in this light.
EDWARD_FLEX, I understand your
position a bit better now, though, I continue to
fundamentally disagree with the world-view that
underpins that position. But, at least you don't
seem to be a hypocrite or harbour any malicious
intent. To continue such a discussion would mean
really getting into the nitty-gritty of politics
and philosophy, and I think that's out of the scope
of this comment box. Anywho, I think that's all
from me, at least for the time being.
Btw, the Marxism comment was a joke, riffing off
your bit on "word weaselling".
To clarify my views:
"youth rebellion" is the status quo, and has been
accommodated and enabled by mass media since the
post-war period. The "punk" movement is the
vanguard of the capitalist class, its goal to
destroy barriers that prevent life from being
dictated by pure market forces. Traditional family,
community organizations, religion: all things w/ a
logic of their own that operate outside of
capitalism, outside of the neolib order.
"Punks" and other social reformers will also make
lip service to economic leftism, but rarely make
any concrete changes or proposals in this regard,
and are in fact quickly assimilated into the market
system. Social barriers to capital are easier to
destroy, and in practice have already been largely
destroyed, because they "chafe" against a system
whose prime mover is the market. This is the root
of the vast majority of "punk" victories (read "the
system's neatest trick" by uncle ted for more in
this vein).
I find most punk music dismal, one-note and
creatively bankrupt; all subversive elements in it
were dead in the water by the time the average
person became aware. I find the industrial, minimal
wave, post-punk scenes that followed far superior
w.r.t making good music and enabling genuine
dissident voices. I like this song because it's an
inversion of punk; it portrays, in great detail, a
profile of someone who has fully internalized the
"punk" mentality and become physically and mentally
sick as a result. Her character has been so deeply
conditioned by market forces that it's
indistinguishable from those of millions of other
girls, can be described w/ a laundry list of brands
and images. In trying to be "liberated", she has
subjected herself to one of the most insidious
systems of mind control to ever exist.
The "lol incel" critiques do, in fact, give a very
incisive look into the mind of one's interlocutor.
The person making the critique sees women as
perfect judges of character, the companionship of a
woman as a self-evident sign of virtue. As women
have been more socially conformist than men for all
of human history (see: gender composition of every
fringe group to ever exist, except for explicitly
feminist or lesbian ones), the subtext is that the
person being insulted is socially marginal, and
therefore wrong, whereas the person making the
insult is in society's good graces, and therefore
right.
I'd go so far as to say that *no* movement is truly
subversive unless it "scares the hoes" to an
extent.
Ehh, not really - in
all fairness, as over the top and increasingly
irrelevant to the actual single as they are, the
ongoing discussions in this comment box at least
maintain a certain level of substance and respect
between people of opposing views as of late
" 'youth rebellion' is
the status quo, and has been accommodated and
enabled by mass media since the post-war
period."
Rebellion is a constant that works against and
requires the 'staus quo' but rebellion is not
itself the status quo which defined the current
rules and acceptable motions in society. I merely
stare my opposition to this because I find it a
pretty nonsensical point.
"The person making the critique sees women as
perfect judges of character, the companionship of a
woman as a self-evident sign of virtue. As women
have been more socially conformist than men for all
of human history (see: gender composition of every
fringe group to ever exist, except for explicitly
feminist or lesbian ones), the subtext is that the
person being insulted is socially marginal"
Completely unsubstantiated fundamental ("it rings
true for all of human history") sexism (women were
extremely heavily involved in nearly all social
protest of the 20th century which makes it even
more bogus) wow with a side dish of straw manning
the opposition and creating imaginary absolute
viewpoints to argue against. There is a very scarce
minority of people in this world who believe or
have ever argued that women are perfect "judges of
character", as you state. There is plenty to be
said about the commodification of sex, the believed
inferiority of the male virgin, but your stated
views do virtually none of it any favors.
"I'd go so far as to
say that *no* movement is truly subversive unless
it "scares the hoes" to an extent."
There are other demographic groups in this society
(some of which have a lot of overlap) and there are
other viewpoints in this world which are not
gendered that one could subvert governance-wise,
economically, intellectually, etc etc but of course
a baiting faux-punk would say that all subversive
movements should be underpinned with an intent to
scare the hoes, as if they're some kind of
bourgeoisie or power elite, even though a great
many women probably experience many of the same
oppressive forces you do.
I wish there existed
albums that have the same type of lyrics and
message of this song but with instrumentals like
Pinkerton, would be great, because it would be a
mixture of the great melodies and instrumentals of
Pinkerton plus the great lyrics that i love on this
Negative Xp song, is unfortunate that Negative Xp
has a awful production with very generic
instrumentals (Pinkerton does not satisfy the
craving, since the lyrics are all about self-hatred
and shame).
Maybe one day there will be a genuine musician that
tries this combination, for now remains only the
craving, like i said on a previous comment.
If there were a
musician that really tried to make a combination of
Pinkerton and the lyrics at the same vibe of this
scott pilgrim song, it would be really fun, but i
do not think that any artist would dare to make a
bold move to make this combination, would also be a
challenge to make the album cohesive and coherent
too.
I mean Pinkerton is a
bit more self-aware and I prefer that but yeah
instrumentation wise I could go for some Rivers
Cuomo guitars as opposed to whatever these riffs
are.
Siren ring calling,
ambulance sound
Drain Gang track you down like a Bloodhound
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Four doors, red or blue, pick the right one
It's some writing on the wall, it said "Die
scum"
No heart, but I do wish I had one
And my baby wanna know what I'm scared of
Don't worry, it's been taken care of
Bladee, I'm coming for the trash like a
trashman
Hell Gang, put that back in the trash can
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Step on my head twice like a cockroach
prob one of the best
comment boxes honestly
i do wonder why so many rymers are afraid, or even
hostile, towards genuine discussion, even if it's
over a song such as this. i gain far more from
these overindulgent paragraphs than i do from the
common snarky one-liners or digs at caricatures of
imagined listeners
i think if u dont go
outside much you really overestimate the amount of
young people who are quote-unquote rebellious
slutty egirls or whatever. even at quirky liberal
arts colleges most ppl r just normies
Siren ring calling,
ambulance sound
Drain Gang track you down like a Bloodhound
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Four doors, red or blue, pick the right one
It's some writing on the wall, it said "Die
scum"
No heart, but I do wish I had one
And my baby wanna know what I'm scared of
Don't worry, it's been taken care of
Bladee, I'm coming for the trash like a
trashman
Hell Gang, put that back in the trash can
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Step on my head twice like a cockroach [2]
Every time I close my eyes I stop existing
Every now and again I can't tell the difference
Woke up falling, I'm still falling off of
buildings
Want a new addiction, wanna fall victim
Something you might crush my heart but I'ma risk
it
And I'm still sinking, need a curse lifted
Blacklisted at all the clubs but I can fix this
Think I need stitches, pray to three sixes
Siren ring calling,
ambulance sound
Drain Gang track you down like a Bloodhound
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Four doors, red or blue, pick the right one
It's some writing on the wall, it said "Die
scum"
No heart, but I do wish I had one
And my baby wanna know what I'm scared of
Don't worry, it's been taken care of
Bladee, I'm coming for the trash like a
trashman
Hell Gang, put that back in the trash can
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Step on my head twice like a cockroach [3]
Every time I close my eyes I stop existing
Every now and again I can't tell the difference
Woke up falling, I'm still falling off of
buildings
Want a new addiction, wanna fall victim
Something you might crush my heart but I'ma risk
it
And I'm still sinking, need a curse lifted
Blacklisted at all the clubs but I can fix this
Think I need stitches, pray to three sixes [2]
I wanna see heads roll, execute past life
Hundred white birds, ninety-nine fall out the
sky
Fast life, race against time, it will outrun
you
Rains return to the earth, sunlight to the
underworld
Maybe in another life we could be lovers
Eversince we met, these thoughts keep getting
worse
Iron will, ironed shirt, now I want a Fendi
purse
I don't talk with empty words, what is any of it
worth?
AudreyBelrose
I get the sensation
that you're excluding a large chunk of the
population we're describing here as "normie"
because you view them as beneath you (p.s. "going
outside" is not the same as "talking to people").
IT'S COO tho, this is in your nature.
In case I have you pegged wrong though, feel free
to humor this question:
how many "young people who are quote-unquote
rebellious slutty egirls or whatever" is too many
to you?
This scott pilgrim song
had potential instrumentally, since (as i said on a
previous comment) the lyrics are already the
highlight and are good, unfortunately the
instrumentals are simply catchy but not good,
altough better than other negative xp songs
(because negative xp makes bad music in general),
this one his is best song.
Also, it is funny how the comment box is filled
with pretentious self-righteous intelectuals eager
to defend the subject of the song, they are
definitely more conscious and virtuous than me for
sure. Overall, i am still craving an album that
sounds like Pinkerton but with lyrics that approach
the same concept of this negative xp song, as i
pointed already, unfortunately there will never be
an album like that and, even if it had, it would
have flaws like this scott pilgrim song, like on
the part about "thirty years old but act like she
is 16" which is a line that does not make sense at
all.
INoLuv I can't help but notice that
either:
- your teletype is on the fritz rehashing posts
over and over
- you truly are a tortured soul who's awaiting an
NXP who sounds a bit more like Weezer.
I really hoped that our continued disengagement
with you would inspire you to instead examine
why you desire such a fusion, become that
artist you wanna see, or at-least do
something better than signal an article of
taste every post, yet it's clear through your
persistence, and desperate attempt to grab my
attention, that this isn't on your itinerary.
I didn't even really wanna respond to your post,
but my mother had walked into my room as I was
reading it, and she was wondering why nobody was
responding to you. I told her "Mom, he's really
disconnected from the actual discussion at hand, no
different than the snarky one-liners that we're
rallying against.", but she wasn't convinced of
this, she believed that you were much more
deserving of respect than this.
To be honest, I still don't understand what she saw
in you, but more-so than anything else, I really
don't like disappointing my mother. I have faith in
her judgements, thus I'm obliged to let U kno: Nice
blog.
I don't know how y'all
can seem yourself arbiters of good faith discussion
and complain about people bashing you for being
incels, when you respond to someone with, to
paraphrase, "it's in your nature because you're a
whore". You've immediately decided people can't
give you an intellectual response or at all change
your mind. Just like what people to do those who
have been pegged incels.
"Also, it is funny how
the comment box is filled with pretentious
self-righteous intelectuals eager to defend the
subject of the song,"
And you're eager to defend the artist, there's
nothing intrinsically more pretentious or
self-righteous about what I or others have done
than what you and like-minded individuals have
done.
Negative xp is an awful
artist and musician and not genuine, he himself
thinks low of his equally awful fanbase, it is
simply funny how people write paragraphs and essays
to defend the subject of the song, that is surely
pretentious, a content that is expected from
reddit. At the end, we all feel "...honestly I'd
still hit if I could", just in different
ways.
JGar40
> when you respond to someone with, to
paraphrase, "it's in your nature because you're a
whore".
projection? It's frankly embarrassing that I have
to spell it out for you. It's in her nature as a
woman. Where you saw "whore", I saw
"wh0refeelings". Wouldn't this handle
showcase in a sense an externalization of the
feeling? The transcendence beyond being
defined as "whore", instead, a feeling held by the
individual? For you to assume that I see "whore"
here & call me out on it is in essence as egregious
as calling her a whore yourself. THIS IS THE PRICE
OF PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
Besides, I'm not shutting anybody out, or banishing
them from forgiveness (not very christ-like
behavior!). You started ignoring me once my
statements became too troublesome to contest, and
now you sloppily swoop in at illusory "easy
pickings" while ignoring the second part of my
message which actually opens a line to dialogue.
It's clear now that you approach this box with a
poisoned heart & ill intent, yet despite this, I
won't shut you out either JGar!
i think this is the
first time ive ever seen someone publicly state
that they showed someone else their arguement in a
rym comment box let alone their own mom lmao
I have no agenda and
can't profess to feeling anything at all to you.
And again, with every individual you interact with,
it seems as if you enter and exit with the
assumption + statement that they couldn't
understand because their heart is innately tainted.
And if that's the case then what is discussion for
but a means of bolstering your ego/confirmation
bias? If people are discussing this, it's not to
receive your "forgiveness". I ignored you out of
disinterest and because as I stated earlier in the
box, I've been through this type of box before and
the mods are stringent on what constitutes civil
behavior.
These are absolutely
silly pseudo-intellectual semantics. You are saying
she has "whore feelings" and that some degree of
that feeling is "in the nature" of a woman. Your
spelling it out for my embarrassing self only makes
it more transparent. You are calling her a whore in
a roundabout way by virtue of all women being
whores. There is no more charitable way for me to
interpret, as you have currently constructed your
argument in English. Suppose there is a
distinction, what are you adding to Discourse ™ by
observing her "wh0refeelings"? Does it serve any
purpose but to shut out? I mean just randomly post
a link for the sole purpose of "look at this girl,
quite peculiar!". I suppose you're not "shutting
them out", rather talking to them in a way that
they would never in their right mind respond, not
for fear of the topic, but for the uncharitable way
you approach them. It's also a very adolescent
argument to say "projecting much" but I digress.
She used silly language on her card. But by virtue
of me saying that your critique of her was wrong, I
think it was implicit that I don't think she is a
"whore" in any pejorative sense because unlike many
here I find it difficult to extrapolate entire
personalities from internet comments.
"not very christ-like
behavior!" "THIS IS THE PRICE OF PUTTING WORDS IN
MY MOUTH."
May I guess what your favorite album of 2019
was?
Anyways I hope this elucidates why exactly this is
a two way street and perhaps those in this box who
are complaining that they are being called "incels"
by many online can now attempt to play an active
role in preventing this miscommunication. I do not
advocate politics of hate.
i think this is the
first time ive ever seen someone publicly state
that they showed someone else their arguement in a
rym comment box let alone their own mom lmao
[2]
no JGar40, anyone can understand,
anyone can elucidate, you’ve simply chosen instead
to do neither & obfuscate. I do not “ban” anyone
from forgiveness as that’s Allah’s domain, but I
understand that its easier for you to pretend that
i’m not open to new understandings as it enables
your laziness in engagement. When you’re ready to
apply yourself as an “intellectual” (lol) & engage
what i’m actually saying instead of coping through
faux-stoicism (“can't profess to feeling anything
at all” preceding 4 posts of conjecture) &
buzzwords which reek of sour grapes
(“pseudo-intellectual semantics”), you will likely
succeed in reaching me.
“whorefeelings” are inherent in all domesticated
beings (male or female), a sexual instance of
desire. To accept this & keep it as feeling one
occasionally encounters instead of an obsession
which consumes oneself (whorebehavior) marks
an step upwards beyond the sorry state of an animal
enslaved by desire, no? This is all I meant to
highlight, that Audrey likely shrugged off
(internet poisoned) “normies” who would fit
precisely in this category bc she is poised ~1-2
steps above them. It really makes me sad that
you’re admitting to thinking of her as a whore
(where you do so “non-pejoratively”, I do not make
such a judgement at all!). I’m not going to
press further on this though, if you’re really
settled thinking she’s a whore (how can you even
say such a thing without it being a
pejorative?), I can’t help you. If anything, she
likely didn’t respond because:
1. she doesn’t frequent this box nearly as much as
we do
2. my question was really a rhetorical one, simply
asking that question revealed the point of
disagreement.
poster physiognomy is real btw…
My favorite album of 2019 was Saijiki by 3776,
unsure how this is any sort of “zinger”. You’re the
smart one after all, go ahead, tell me, how is this
a “dunk”?
"its easier for you to
pretend that i’m not open to new understandings as
it enables your laziness in engagement."
It's not a product of laziness, it's because your
writing makes it evident. This isn't the first time
I have talked back and forth on this site.
"faux-stoicism", obviously I care about the words
themselves, but you accused me of a poisoned heart
and ill intent and I don't feel much about people
who I don't know. Optimally, one should discuss
things without being overtaken by emotion, this
does not preclude discussion or "conjecture" as you
say.
"buzzwords which reek of sour grapes
(“pseudo-intellectual semantics”)"
This is extremely ironic, but let's not list
examples. If you struggle comprehending basic
English which I don't believe you do, I was saying
that you were intentionally obfuscating words to
make it seem as if you were saying something
distinct from what I said, when your clarified
meaning had fundamentally the exact same
implications.
"“whorefeelings” are inherent in all domesticated
beings (male or female), a sexual instance of
desire"
So you turned it into a sensationalized buzzword
instead of speaking in plain English (or charitably
you used her invention to muddle discussion). And
now you shift it to "it affects all of us
regardless of gender" when you stated 2 comments
ago " it's in her nature as a woman". And if it
affects all of us, there's literally nothing
poignant about saying that because if you suffer
from it too, you too would "simply not understand".
Ultimately, it was entirely possible for you to
expose this simple disagreement of perception on
how people actually behave irl without any of this
fluff about so called "wh0refeelings".
"where you do so “non-pejoratively”" only in the
sense that she plants the word by lightheartedly
and nonchalantly calling herself that and I can't
determine how one feels based off that. I do not
think it in any substantiative way and to
intentionally misconstrue my view like that is
disingenuous. You brought up that card link
unnecessarily in the first place so it would seem
you care more about this notion than I do.
"You’re the smart one after all, go ahead, tell me,
how is this a “dunk”?"
Thank you for the compliment. It was further to
display that you dig yourself in a hole as much as
others are covering you with the dirt. The zinger
was that you were literally speaking like Kanye
West from Jesus is King (2019).
"I do not “ban” anyone from forgiveness"
I addressed this but you still insist that I am
saying this. And to the onlookers of the car crash,
I'm well aware what EDWARD_FLEX appears to be, but
I will not impose that label upon them.
> Optimally, one
should discuss things without being overtaken by
emotion, this does not preclude discussion or
"conjecture" as you say.
observe how the faux-stoic turns a discussion into
a pissing contest of who's "less emotional",
regardless of whether or not he really believes
it
>but let's not list examples
cause you have none
> "it affects all of us regardless of gender"
when you stated 2 comments ago " it's in her nature
as a woman".
yes, it's in her nature as a woman to use this to
position herself above/away-from others, it's
"pick-me" behavior. lol. Again, you only miss this
through reading me uncharitably
>So you turned it into a sensationalized
buzzword instead of speaking in plain English
let me spell out the difference for you. You throw
around buzzwords that were programmed into your
mind through media, I coin never-before-heard
neologisms on the spot like its breathing. We Are
Not The Same.
> Ultimately, it was entirely possible for you
to expose this simple disagreement of perception on
how people actually behave irl without any of this
fluff about so called "wh0refeelings".
de gustibus non disputandum est, you'll get it when
you're older
> to intentionally misconstrue my view like that
is disingenuous
"I think it was implicit that I don't think she is
a "whore" in any pejorative sense" -JGar40
why add this qualifier "in any perjorative sense"
then? I don't mind chalking this up to a
miscommunication if you were being overly
formal.
>The zinger was that you were literally speaking
like Kanye West from Jesus is King (2019)
ok?
>I addressed this but you still insist that I am
saying this.
"And again, with every individual you interact
with, it seems as if you enter and exit with the
assumption + statement that they couldn't
understand because their heart is innately
tainted"
"I'm well aware what EDWARD_FLEX appears to be, but
I will not impose that label upon them." (as you're
doing here?)
ofc, it's cause you continued to say it until the
very last word.
0/10, it's clear that you're fishing for my
attention at this point.
"observe how the
faux-stoic turns a discussion into a pissing
contest of who's "less emotional""
It's not my agenda, you're the one who brought up
that I must have ill intent and be a faux-stoic. If
you make such a claim of someone, expect
responses.
"it's in her nature as a woman to use this to
position herself above/away-from others, it's
"pick-me" behavior"
Which is a completely unsubstantiated, and
resultantly from the lack of substantiation, sexist
claim.
"You throw around buzzwords that were programmed
into your mind through media"
You see what I mean? You either are or roleplay as
being superior and intellectual, you hold your
views as an absolute truth, and shut out others by
means of their demographic or because they are
"brainwashed by the media". Whether you are an
incel is something that I could not know bar
self-admission but this is exactly the issue that
plagues many of the people who are accused of such
in discussions of songs such as this.
"THE PRICE OF PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH"
"de gustibus non disputandum est, you'll get it
when you're older"
"You throw around buzzwords that were programmed
into your mind through media, I coin
never-before-heard neologisms on the spot like its
breathing. We Are Not The Same."
"poster physiognomy is real btw…"
"the drawn out joke about your own mother towards
INoLuv"
"I'm well aware" that to the average person in this
comment box you appear to be a troll as every
single tactic and mannerism of your writing
indicates so, as you dance around and only
occasionally touch the actual point, and use
intentionally baity and memey phrases as if the
extent of my internet experience starts and ends at
Tumblr.com. I acknowledge that there are others in
this comment box who hold a similar opinion on the
lyrics in this song, who are not trolls and in fact
appear to be very genuine about their beliefs. To
not mince words, yes I personally believe you're a
troll and have believed so quite a while, but have
argued to the fullest possible extent against only
the words. The difficulty is heightened as you have
no reservations against judging people based on
nothing. Your last sentence is ironic as I would
say we are both attention whores.
Further clarification
for "pissing contest", prior to these 2 comments, I
never suggested in the slightest that you were
emotional and was merely rebuking your claim that I
was. My desire to respond to every claim leveled
towards me may be a fault.
If my troll assessment is wrong, I would at least
maintain that looking at optics, it is quite
difficult to make one challenge their "brainwashed"
mentality when approached when w/ such a manner of
speaking. That aside, I hardly imagine this is
going to get back to the cultural debate that is
the crux of this song and my interest in seeing it
further devolve is limited. There was a point in
this box where actual points were
maintained.
The issue is that I
gave you serious credibility throughout, dating far
back to the weird discussion of this song and
imperialism, because it would not be constructive
to approach anyone as a troll, but time and time
again you indicated as much especially when
questioned about the points about "whores" and
women and most evident in your three paragraph
shitpost against user INoLuv, so it is due time to
acknowledge what is likely reality to all onlookers
and what I can't deny is highly probable. One
cannot do this in perpetuity.
so your final stand
over this grave you’ve excavated is to lie about
your actions, put words in the audiences mouth &
brazenly assert that playful side commentary should
disqualify one from serious consideration? (tell me
JGar, you dont seriously think I was trolling
Magical_Monkey, do you?)
if you’re so sure about this, then it would be fine
to let the user read the whole exchange & make up
their mind for themselves, no?
I think you willfully
mix BS trolling/jokes that only detract from the
discussion with mildly well thought out points.
They are walls of text that take on the appearance
of having far more to say than they actually do.
And yes, I would say everything you said to
Magical_Monkey was more serious and with genuine
intent not to let discussion devolve into taunts. I
have not "lied about my actions".
and of course i promote people making their own
judgements but I do possess a basic social
awareness and can read the other comments posted in
this box
what? not everything is
a fucking game bro, get off the illuminati qanon
grindset, it's not good for you
it is not impossible i am incorrect but i do
believe what i am saying. And note my usage of the
word "basic", as in just enough to understand that
I am viewed as paranoid and hyperonline and that
you are viewed as incel with a pack of dogwhistles.
Any more than "basic" and we probably wouldn't be
discussing this. And it appears a point of
contention for you which is why I have said this
multiple times.
To prevent further
brain damage (not my intention, I apologize for
this!), I'll wrap it up here. There's no
"illuminati qanon grindset" here, no "dog-whistles"
from my end, certainly no "inceldom" (I've had the
misfortune of needing to toke out of the jezebel's
dirty bong before realizing the emptiness inherent
to this sort of dance). Believe it or not, none of
this humor here is lost upon me, though I guess one
can't expect the other to
hear them out.
Okay I've read a lot of
shit but I ain't reading that article, happy that
happened for you or not. Also that's an absolute
cap about the jezebel, they like being referred to
as humans, not biblical archetypes.
this is the worst
comment box on the site. this is it. the
culmination of misogynist music nerd-ism, the
endless penance of "irony" and views on women
distilled into the worst 600-ish statements made on
this entire web site. God
I think staying out of
that last round of Discourse™ was a wise decision.
Someone ought to save the whole entire discussion
for posterity's sake before the mods nuke the
box.
like hes right but
this is my exact type of woman
also bruh I'm a guy and even I want to look like Ramona Flowers
or, let me guess, the arthoes are the real misogynists because they challenge the ‘traditional woman’!!! and you actually love “normal, conservative women” because they subscribe to old, judeo-christian values unlike these new cultural-marxists who choose to exercise their personal freedom. nah i’m just joshing you, you’re too sane to believe that. unless....?
Well if this wasn't made with comedic intent its even worse and more embarassing than I originally perceived
Seriously though, there are way more offensive punk songs than this that have gone down as "classics".
Except those bands came about ten years after punk's inception?
imagine trying to justify liking a bad song based on how mad it makes people lol. try harder edgelord
The worst thing is how fucking out of tune those "ooooohs" are. Seriously, why isn't anyone paying attention to how offensive they sound? It's pure auditory diarrhea.
This is exactly what this song is about lol.
"if you want right-wing punk go write a song about how we should bring back monarchies" Monarchy(political system) and society(which includes some certain groups of the population, young women for example) are kinda different things, mmkay?
The only difference between Negative XP and your average trve punk band is that their lyrical content is more offensive, which only makes them even more punk then, I guess
Think she's anything worth while" is the closest it comes to doing that, but even then, it's just saying that the girl is worthless and that you're degrading yourself by seeking a relationship with her. And the other two lyrics referencing guys just shows that she's manipulative and cold, again, not a crticism of the guy. Yeah, I'm overthinking this, but I wanted to address this common point in the discussion.
Also the vast majority of those old school bands could fucking sing in tune
only releases with more than 250 ratings chart overall.
Delete.
"The idea that punk is simply offending people removes punk from its historical context and perverts and diminishes the very real, very tangible political struggles that informed it."
Perfect quote to summarize this all
Seeing the Twitter clowns and 4chan folk fight in the YT comment section on the video is some gold though.
Holy shit
p sure this is a political stance
...do you know who Germany was allied with in World War II
are you saying all asians are japanese
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>proceeds to rate every negative xp song a 0.5
delicious irony mmm love it
are you saying all asians are japanese"
Assuming the opposite of "galaxy" is "black hole" then this is a black hole-brained response
seems like you forgot that movements like Oi! or RAC existed in the past
+ the fact that punk was primally a leftist movement does not prevent people from other polical views to have similar attitude or get similar thoughts like rebellion or anti-consumerism
I could understand this if the characteristics of the woman in the song weren't so generic it could be any woman. Oh no she drinks, dyes her hair, and has sex what a threat to society! Punk artists have made tracks like this before about groups but usually they actually had a point and didn't go after the easiest group possible.
How do I shave my balls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblAMMltbkw
I mean, he basically made this song again, but retitled it "Toonami Ruined a Whole Generation of Manchildren". And no one was butthurt on that one. At least the weebs got a sense of humor.
also RYM: only 4 women have passed the 4.00 barrier
GG Allin appalled his age group's equivalent of Twitter and RYM comment boxes
it wouldnt work in any other genre, its not like people from other genres are this mentally ahead of the curve
You do realise he's one of the least credible people ever when it comes to music?
gg didn't worship cops. try again.
Except GG Allin was based, epic, funny, and insane. He was actually shocking, transgressive, and his music was pretty good. Negative XP just sucks. Nothing he does is new, shocking, or transgressive and nothing he makes sounds good.
imagine thinking like this holy shit
its selt-fulfilling
i actually moved both down to a 4.5 earlier today
So a stupid harmless joke song made by some dude in his bedroom is comparable to a severely mentally ill individual who openly admitted to multiple counts of rape, defecated on stage, self-mutilated on stage, assaulted the audience, etc. etc.? Right...
I don't know what the context to this comment is but this is such a mind-numbingly retarded take
Makes me cry every time
are yall proud of yrselves
Now I'm just picturing Noah doing corny falsetto harmonies in the background and it works so painfully well
2016 never left [6] go home go buy a home
I just frequently revisit comment boxes on this site that I know are going to have drama. I'm terminally online but please don't accuse me of being a fan of incel music. And I don't have the energy for getting mad at man children.
WAP
I LOVE THE WAY LIBTARDS SHIT THEIR PANTS BECAUSE OF THIS FUCKING SONG
trying to make fun of the people who dislike the song in 3 quotes. the 2nd one is weirdly transphobic and the 3rd one gives "nazi punk" vibes.
nazi punks
nazi punks
nazi punks
fuck off
I agree with the notion that punk is not an "ahistorical constant", yet it seems confusing to make this point & proceed to consider NXP as punk only in appearance based upon a "lack of message". If punk were truly not an ahistorical constant, couldn't the shape of "punk" come in unexpected forms over time? NXP certainly isn't fighting for anything concrete on this song, yet he seems to showcase a holistic critique of all parties involved. The "jezebel", the "white boy" who enables the jezebel, the "incel", who'd "still hit" if he could, but is too self conscious & misanthropic to act naturally (most roasting NXP doesn't seem to understand that he makes fun of himself in the same exact way by making this song, what does that say of the sincere fan playing this on repeat?). By amplifying the grotesque parts of the characters involved, he certainly isn't providing any answer to this dilemma, but is he really providing no message at all?
This certainly isn't punk in the historical sense, yet it seems hard to remain truly faithful to the past when 1) yesterday's counter-culture has flowed into today's (fading) monoculture, 2) The consumer can now understand a much higher degree of irony/abstractions 3) 20th century man was simply much tougher than their 21st century cohort. If enough people believe this to be punk expression, who are we to be so quick to point to the past & say otherwise? (even if we must do the work of expressing why in a more descriptive way than a NXP fan would).
Lastly, this line had really piqued my interest. "we should take this moment to think about how we can reclaim the aesthetics of transgression and the politics of rebellion". To the avg. liberal/left types (i am not pegging you in either of these categories), this question seems almost inconceivable, yet is totally necessary if this grouping doesn't want to find themselves outflanked in the race of "progress" by the so-called "alt-right" ('alt-right' is a troublesome term for me, it seems more strongly defined by what it isn't. There's no way i'd even consider NXP & Ben Shapiro as remotely "compatible" without this term, but I understand what you mean when you use this term). "Cruelty as critique" seems to be en-vogue regardless of political affiliation, especially when the critique revels in the supposed mud pit it's critiquing (a true rehabilitation of incels would require a good bit more empathy on all fronts, even if we do not think they are deserving of it). In an age where classic Boomer/Xer irony has run stale, can we really run the clock back & revive this form? If not, do you see a way we can move past the growing pains of "cruelty" without just ignoring it?
Well, it certainly succeeded. It sounds bad and it sucks.
honestly surprised it hasn't been disabled
As to your first point: you’re right that “punk” could come in many shapes, as you say, depending on the historical moment. My critique about this song for appearing to be punk was made with this in mind, because part of why I don’t like this song is that it tries to mimic dead forms of punk; it’s precisely an inability to “break out” and be something unexpected that weakens this song “as punk”. That said, I’m in favour of retiring the word “punk” altogether, if I had it my way, I think the continued reliance on “punk” in both left- and right-leaning circles is a crutch and displays a lack of imagination more than anything. I have a great deal of respect for punk, but as I argue, it belongs in the annals of history, to be respected and revered but left alone like an old painting, at least in the museum, it is properly situated in its historical context; take punk “out of history” and Negative XP is the natural result — an empty shell of imitation with nothing “behind” it. And is he providing no message at all? Well, there is a message, but that message is just a vague, generalised disgust. You mention that he’s providing a “critique of all parties involved”, my question is: involved in what? That’s the problem: the people that Negative XP hates are just… Normal people. Oh, the girl wears winged eyeliner? So fucking what. And yes, he’s disgusted with himself. That doesn’t ameliorate his position. As you pointed out, we live in an era of irony, and so Negative XP can hate himself in a tongue-in-cheek way, and run a coward’s defence of saying “haha, it was ironic”, but this doesn’t absolve him from the cruelty inherent in this song.
“Punk” is over. It’s dead. You mention that it’s hard for this song to remain faithful to the past and I would turn that comment upside-down and say that the fact that this song even tries to do that is indicative of its impotence. Stealing the sound of old punk is safe and easy, and dressing it up in the non-politics of the Internet alt-right is nothing exciting either (I agree with you that the term “alt-right” sucks, but I can’t think of a new word on the spot). But you are right to point out that a lot of people still find something in this song, and they do find something in this imitation of old punk that masquerades as “new punk”. There are a lot of reasons why this happens, but I think it is a manifestly bad outcome, because it tricks people into mistaking the aesthetics of critique for the critique itself. Ergo, the act of listening to “offensive” punk music becomes the end of the criticism rather than the means to a constructive outcome.
You mention that “cruelty as critique” is in vogue and I think that is precisely why it’s not an effective mode of critique. It's played-out, and it is boring. And this isn’t limited to right-leaning guys like Negative XP either: all the Twitter Blue Check™ losers who act as if incels are subhuman defects that ought to be euthanized; that sort of rhetoric only strengthens the adverse social conditions that gave birth to the incel. And you say that we need empathy to rehabilitate the incels, and I completely agree. The incel is a product of adverse social and economic conditions, and those social and economic conditions ought to be criticised. But the girl with the winged eyeliner didn’t do anything. She didn’t lock you in your mother’s basement, she didn’t fail you out of university, she didn’t erode your self-esteem or make you work for minimum wage for long hours, she didn’t fill your head with nonsense about being “height-mogged” or your weak jawline, she wasn’t the one who forced you to watch all that hentai. The incel did that to himself. Why? Because living in this world is fucking hard, man. And it’s easy to fall off, and it’s easy to fall into the pit of self-loathing and disgust at the external world. But the incel is responsible for his own actions and how he interacts with the world, the incel is a fucking adult even if he wants to pretend like he’s an infant, and that is why I’m harsh on this song.
My answer to your final question: leave punk in the dustbin of history. I don’t know how to move past the growing pains of cruelty. I don’t have all the answers. There’s a lot of art out there that is simultaneously rebellious and empathetic, transgressive but meaningful. There’s a lot of good art that expresses new responses to new problems, but there isn’t enough of it, there’s a huge lack, in fact, and you’re not going to find the little that is out there by continuously trying to resuscitate old ways of doing politics.
To answer "involved in what", i'll first have to push back a little on this statement: "That’s the problem: the people that Negative XP hates are just… Normal people."
Though this type of person has certainly been 'normalized' to an extent, I wouldn't jump to call them normal (at the very least, if numbing onesself out through SSRIs, rampant stonerism, and hyper-promiscuity are seriously considered as normal behavior, then we're in some serious trouble, but I digress, we both know he's being hyperbolic). Him sticking only with the descriptive is a sign to me that NXP notices a problem, but doesn't have an answer. I would say where NXP is weak in this sort of critique is that he flies too close to the sun, the wrong message (hate women) is a much more obvious choice compared to the more reasonable message one could grab from this song (stop enabling garbage women). I don't think NXP is being insincere when he hates this assembled caricature, that 'riding the line' sort of cajoling seems more fit for an "alt-left" (whatever they call themselves these days), but any hatred he delivers is returned to himself two-fold with every "But honestly, I'd still hit if I could", This is the precise reason that I read so heavily into the description "and michael cera ruined a whole generation of white boys", I wouldn't be surprised if NXP is also speaking a little to himself when he writes this. To avoid direct contact with any potential landmines, I'll simply leave this at "any undesirable features within women in general are so because of the past behavior of men", perhaps a necessary lesson in stopping such a feedback loop.
Though I can understand, and respect your stance on punk, the (perhaps sad) reality is that it will not be left in the dustbin of history, as most are living in the past. This leaves us with the (perhaps rhetorical) "How do we progress from here? Can we even make a horse drink from the fresh waters of the present?"
As to your first point: you’re right that “punk” could come in many shapes, as you say, depending on the historical moment. My critique about this song for appearing to be punk was made with this in mind, because part of why I don’t like this song is that it tries to mimic dead forms of punk; it’s precisely an inability to “break out” and be something unexpected that weakens this song “as punk”. That said, I’m in favour of retiring the word “punk” altogether, if I had it my way, I think the continued reliance on “punk” in both left- and right-leaning circles is a crutch and displays a lack of imagination more than anything. I have a great deal of respect for punk, but as I argue, it belongs in the annals of history, to be respected and revered but left alone like an old painting, at least in the museum, it is properly situated in its historical context; take punk “out of history” and Negative XP is the natural result — an empty shell of imitation with nothing “behind” it. And is he providing no message at all? Well, there is a message, but that message is just a vague, generalised disgust. You mention that he’s providing a “critique of all parties involved”, my question is: involved in what? That’s the problem: the people that Negative XP hates are just… Normal people. Oh, the girl wears winged eyeliner? So fucking what. And yes, he’s disgusted with himself. That doesn’t ameliorate his position. As you pointed out, we live in an era of irony, and so Negative XP can hate himself in a tongue-in-cheek way, and run a coward’s defence of saying “haha, it was ironic”, but this doesn’t absolve him from the cruelty inherent in this song.
“Punk” is over. It’s dead. You mention that it’s hard for this song to remain faithful to the past and I would turn that comment upside-down and say that the fact that this song even tries to do that is indicative of its impotence. Stealing the sound of old punk is safe and easy, and dressing it up in the non-politics of the Internet alt-right is nothing exciting either (I agree with you that the term “alt-right” sucks, but I can’t think of a new word on the spot). But you are right to point out that a lot of people still find something in this song, and they do find something in this imitation of old punk that masquerades as “new punk”. There are a lot of reasons why this happens, but I think it is a manifestly bad outcome, because it tricks people into mistaking the aesthetics of critique for the critique itself. Ergo, the act of listening to “offensive” punk music becomes the end of the criticism rather than the means to a constructive outcome.
You mention that “cruelty as critique” is in vogue and I think that is precisely why it’s not an effective mode of critique. It's played-out, and it is boring. And this isn’t limited to right-leaning guys like Negative XP either: all the Twitter Blue Check™ losers who act as if incels are subhuman defects that ought to be euthanized; that sort of rhetoric only strengthens the adverse social conditions that gave birth to the incel. And you say that we need empathy to rehabilitate the incels, and I completely agree. The incel is a product of adverse social and economic conditions, and those social and economic conditions ought to be criticised. But the girl with the winged eyeliner didn’t do anything. She didn’t lock you in your mother’s basement, she didn’t fail you out of university, she didn’t erode your self-esteem or make you work for minimum wage for long hours, she didn’t fill your head with nonsense about being “height-mogged” or your weak jawline, she wasn’t the one who forced you to watch all that hentai. The incel did that to himself. Why? Because living in this world is fucking hard, man. And it’s easy to fall off, and it’s easy to fall into the pit of self-loathing and disgust at the external world. But the incel is responsible for his own actions and how he interacts with the world, the incel is a fucking adult even if he wants to pretend like he’s an infant, and that is why I’m harsh on this song.
My answer to your final question: leave punk in the dustbin of history. I don’t know how to move past the growing pains of cruelty. I don’t have all the answers. There’s a lot of art out there that is simultaneously rebellious and empathetic, transgressive but meaningful. There’s a lot of good art that expresses new responses to new problems, but there isn’t enough of it, there’s a huge lack, in fact, and you’re not going to find the little that is out there by continuously trying to resuscitate old ways of doing politics.
Thank you for taking proper care to respond comprehensively & aid in putting this box thru chemo, I agree with you that this isn't 'punk', but I perhaps come to that conclusion at another direction (pop punk parody != punk in the sense that we're talking about it). That being said, this desire to co-opt punk to seize some romanticized position of being the underdog is certainly something to remain wary of in our time (though I'm not too sure if NXP is touting himself as one of the "new punks", seems to be a symptom of his more low-quality fans).
To answer "involved in what", i'll first have to push back a little on this statement: "That’s the problem: the people that Negative XP hates are just… Normal people."
Though this type of person has certainly been 'normalized' to an extent, I wouldn't jump to call them normal (at the very least, if numbing onesself out through SSRIs, rampant stonerism, and hyper-promiscuity are seriously considered as normal behavior, then we're in some serious trouble, but I digress, we both know he's being hyperbolic). Him sticking only with the descriptive is a sign to me that NXP notices a problem, but doesn't have an answer. I would say where NXP is weak in this sort of critique is that he flies too close to the sun, the wrong message (hate women) is a much more obvious choice compared to the more reasonable message one could grab from this song (stop enabling garbage women). I don't think NXP is being insincere when he hates this assembled caricature, that 'riding the line' sort of cajoling seems more fit for an "alt-left" (whatever they call themselves these days), but any hatred he delivers is returned to himself two-fold with every "But honestly, I'd still hit if I could", This is the precise reason that I read so heavily into the description "and michael cera ruined a whole generation of white boys", I wouldn't be surprised if NXP is also speaking a little to himself when he writes this. To avoid direct contact with any potential landmines, I'll simply leave this at "any undesirable features within women in general are so because of the past behavior of men", perhaps a necessary lesson in stopping such a feedback loop.
Though I can understand, and respect your stance on punk, the (perhaps sad) reality is that it will not be left in the dustbin of history, as most are living in the past. This leaves us with the (perhaps rhetorical) "How do we progress from here? Can we even make a horse drink from the fresh waters of the present?"
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also why are all the positive reviews on here from burner accounts with like 2 ratings? hmmmmmmmmmmm
I wish this song were better overall and the lyrics were improved because of very obvious lines that hurt the message and description of it. Also, Negative Xp is not genuine and his image is a persona, which makes the impact of the song to be underwhelming.
With this in mind, is it not punk to pretend you don't accept the status quo, and scream and shout into the void which will only respond with "lol incel"? Either you don't understand the status quo exists (and are thus actively participating in upholding it), you see it fully and hopelessly try to awaken people who are just merely pushing the pendulum's arm back and forth (which is just as sisyphusian as participating in the pushing), or you hopelessly cry about it while displaying how disillusioned genuine incels are from the whole system (for better or for worse), using their identity as a launching pad to say all of this very clearly in a 3 and a half minute song? Is refusing to participate in the two, hopeless political journeys not what punk was always about?
today I press F & listen to kate bush
And this is just absolutely fine bait
tell me JGar, you don't seriously wish to sit around worshipping ash until the sparks of greatness are lost forever like tears in the rain, do you? In this sense, this song is a warning, and it's only gonna get worse if we continue down this path
2. I'm a sunset imperialist, thank you for the random ad hom that isn't connected to anything I said. Of course, I find this laughable as I actually am quite isolationist but I don't expect you to believe otherwise, b/c there is nothing to extrapolate about me. I don't believe in total political apathy anywhere in the world, it is nihilistic, I explicitly focused on the world because I do not much appreciate how everything is about the US online. But to go back to US politics, apathy creates mobs of Bernie supporters complaining about how fascists are attacking them, which there may well be truth to, when all several million of them had rights they chose not to exercise because they don't believe in "complicity with the system". Those people are pathetic to me. Also again I thought the argument code_gs raised was at least interesting. My point I suppose is you don't have to be part of any so called movement to stand for change and against the status quo on an individual level. That is punk and it is not apathetic.
"tell me JGar, you don't seriously wish to sit around worshipping ash until the sparks of greatness are lost forever like tears in the rain, do you?"
This will be one piece of actual criticism at your character, can you please stop speaking in Ayn Randian prose? The melodrama doesn't help your case.
Yes, you are (presently displaying yourself as) a sunset imperialist. Though I believe you 100% when you say that you are "isolationist" (I personally know very few who are not pacifists!), this sadly doesn't absolve you from imperialism, it just showcases its waning power (hence "sunset"). It's essentially what Winston Churchill, or FDR wanted with a larger emphasis on decentralization, which hides/obfuscates any of the dirty work necessary to maintain such an unnatural system (any quarrel against this should try to explain how the shift towards progress laid out in your 27th Feb post is conducive to a healthier world outside of the occident, try Libya if you're feeling frisky).
You are tacitly supporting liberal hegemony by using its language & slogans which motivate its action, even though its "enemies" only exist today as ghosts. This idea that there even exists true mainstream resistance to the position you hold is completely laughable, you don't even have to go back to the 20th (or 19th) century to see how even this specter of the right had faded, just observe pre-2010 media. This refinement of whiggery is precisely why there stands no strong opposition, why play a game you can't win? Observe how republicans essentially play ball, occasionally taking up losing positions to remind their increasingly schizophrenic constituents of their position as the romanticized loser, growing ever-less romantic to non-schizophrenics over time (semi-related anecdote: I personally know a government contractor who painted a trans flag & missile rick on one of their missiles). The complimentary schizophrenic "liberal", time and time again, believes this to be a genuine threat, reinforcing hegemony in this cycle.To engage & legitimize this cycle is to continually propagate & refine it. This (refinement leading to total propagation of diluted power) is particularly evident when your only "negative" examples of inaction are "pathetic" people who are seemingly on your side (bernie bros, in reality, are undercooked republicans) not voting in line with your desire (as an aside: avoiding "complicity with the system" is actually rhetorically weak, like saying you don't smoke meth to avoid the stimulant industry. Its better to highlight that one doesn't smoke meth because its self-destructive, that the methsm0ker is not complicit, but victim).
This is the folly of "decentralized imperialism", the two wings of the same bird experiencing atrophy, each individual cell increasing disorder. a network of loosely aligned individual kings decreeing their morals, no longer vicious enough to join a movement and coerce, shouting into the void during an imperceptibly slow death, though miraculously landing in meek lockstep. Please note that I do not hold any of this against you! I completely agree with your point that "you don't have to be part of any so called movement to stand for change and against the status quo on an individual level". I'm simply asking you to consider how you were guided to this hill that you are defending.
"It seems to me your main complaint with the world is that OnlyFans exists." is pure nonsense, equal to a bot generated response at best (though it's a good template, I may have to use it sometime). if it isn't clear at this point, my only suggestion to someone who struggles to deal with some reality like OnlyFans is to do a 360 and Just Walk Away From The Screen Hahahahahahahaha. Engagement with the viral, for or against, simply extends its reach.
btw I have never read a word Ayn Rand, so I can't really comment on this little dig. I will say this though: I write as I please because it's fun, and in a way, i had been celebrating the time we have before this box gets destroyed, can you say the same?
(4/4)
You're still looking at the screen you dunce
You're still looking at the screen you dunce [2]
This is reasonable and for both our goods, I'll probably refrain from making more large claims and rebuttals, been through this wheelhouse. Sure I can theorize on how I've been led to my "late stage/sunset imperialism" views but what good will theorizing really do?
"The complimentary schizophrenic "liberal", time and time again, believes this to be a genuine threat, reinforcing hegemony in this cycle.To engage & legitimize this cycle is to continually propagate & refine it."
I should note that I find this statement agreeable, liberals do absolutely everything in their power to keep the pendulum in motion, but the way forward shouldn't be ceasing to acknowledge existing ideas altogether or failing to promote your own. All this aside, I think you give NXP too much credit in regards to authorial intent. Your comment was a bit more clear this time but the connection between cultural promiscuity and imperialism is shaky to say the least.
At this point, I feel like I've said my piece and I don't have much to add (at least in the confines of this comment box). But with this last slew of posts, I am trying to get a grip. What exactly are you arguing for?
tbqh, my only intention when re-entering this box was to make an equally schizophrenic opposite to jgar's post. I really hate using these terms (progress/neoliberalism/american hegemony/the left) because they have meant numerous things throughout history, and can really mean a lot of things to different people now (for instance, when i say "the left", i really do mean it in the moldbug/kaczynski sense of "disorder", but this isn't obvious at all unless you're familiar with that sort of perspective). This continual weaseling of words allows us to rehash the same conversations over and over again ad nauseum. Perhaps all of this could likely be simplified (at the risk of excessive moldbuggery) to spiritual whiggery, I just can't help but notice the evil which this blind march towards "progress" (whatever we call it) manifests. I think the discussion of "real" politics or economics is certainly an interesting one which i have some thoughts over, though it's probably best to keep such a discussion outside of this box as that angle really doesn't apply much to this song at all (my weak links to NXP in every comment thus far has really been a test for the mods, are they really reading this? or did they skim it, see "NXP", and move on?).
to make it 5/5 (in response to JGar), I did not mean at all to imply that NXP thought of any of this as he made the song, he'd likely tell everyone to STFU if he saw this box, but this is what I notice in his work. "cultural promiscuity" to me is simply an internal organ of american imperialism, the power of sex can serve to demoralize and atomize people, especially when the underlying connection between partners is ephemeral. In any case, it's interesting to note that people in the past actually had more sex than their contemporary counterpart, just less partners (i think this is a good thing! people should have more sex, they should just be having sex with the people they love).
I think the fact that this is reminiscent of a "60's reactionary critique" is natural considering the phase of culture that we're in, living in the shadow of the 20th century. Consider McLuhan in this light, do you think people (in general) heeded the warning that the "medium is the message/massage"? Did people heed it when extended to the cyber domain a la SE:L? Ofc the majority haven't, or else we would've never coined any sort of terms like "NPC" or "wirehead". Perhaps these sorts of conversations are doomed to repeat until they can no longer be relevant (or until there are no more naive internet users, myself included), but I think getting ppl past these pitfalls can be conducive to finding the way out of the 20th century's shadow. Though there is a clear out for those who wish to exit archaic economic conversations (by writing smart contracts), the political really might just be stuck in 60's-esque discussion until we can evolve past this paralysis of ontology (for lack of a better term).
if there really must be a message to my madness, take it from this:
“Authoritarians talk about protocols, but the only valid ‘protocol’ would be something like ‘perceive, think, act.’”
- Raymond Peat, PhD.
You went above and beyond my friend.
"(i think this is a good thing! people should have more sex, they should just be having sex with the people they love)"
First off, it is not up to us to determine how people live their lives and what does it matter if they love their partners. So long as both involved understand that it won't amount to more, there is no issue of being demoralizing. Consider that marriage and kids were a social obligation for most and that attending college and then dropping out to marry a guy 2 years later is not "true love" in any sense and you will have a far better sense of what you love at age 29 than 19 as would have happened in the 1950s. Do not get me wrong, I would love a permanent monogamous relationship, but it seems to me that you project your own desires as the absolute perfect standard of happiness for everyone. I'd also like to note that this song first and foremost is memorable for its depiction of a stereotypical dyed hair girl with body piercings and what not. That is criticized in the song and yet does not have to mean anything about the sex lives of these women. It does means they have the social right now to appear however they wish to appear, without being concerned if it makes them look like a "slut" or not, which I would say is hardly "minimizing". These elements of their appearance have far transcended anything potentially originally sexually deviant about them (relating to a common criticism that this song is way too non-specific about this "type of girl") and have become nothing more than a means of owning one's own body.
But at the end of the day, you either blame "modern women" on an individual level, and hold them in personal contempt for "cultural promiscuity" (or "rampant stonerism", or taking SSRIs, your list of gripes goes on), or you don't. The former, and this song (and your review), makes sense, but then you can't claim any kind of lofty politics because your vendetta is personal. The latter, and your wider critiques might be salvaged from the pits of a world-view of loathing. This is sort of what I was getting at when we were discussing "cruelty as critique", and it runs both ways too, as we can see by how remote_viewer responded to the "lol incel" comments.
Precisely why I think the message engendered in this song is dangerous is because it constructs "the dyed-haired girl" as an avatar for all the problems of the modern male (your incel), and you seem to implicitly sympathise with this. And you delude yourself into thinking that cruelty towards this avatar will solve the problems that she represents for you. But you're chasing phantoms, at that point, and hurting real people. To be clear: I am not accusing you of being a cruel person (I believe you're a decent person and you have engaged in the discussion respectfully and so on) and I'm not accusing you of any kind of -ism, but I do assert that there are implications beyond the song itself, about why one sympathises with it.
To clear something up, I don't blame women for this at all, not even when I wrote this original review (any shaking fists should probably be directed at their fathers who failed them). I notice now that I hadn't applied as much attention to this as I should've (as it's really applicable to this track), but "bad women" only exist due to a history of bad men. This "list of gripes" is really a "list of symptoms" to me. Again, the line "But honestly I'd still hit if I could" takes any "critique" of women & returns it twofold back to men, one can only take any talk of "sour grapes" so seriously. I empathize with them because I was once close to taking a similar path in life, which is funny considering that this is perhaps the demographic i have been most cruel to w.r.t. this single (to the person in this screenshot if they're reading this, i apologize for being so dismissive, we were all naive at one point & I shouldn't have knocked you for this). I firmly believe that both "characters" (caricatures of the "incel" and the "roastie") in this track should be shamed if they were to manifest in these forms, but that, as you warn, such shame shouldn't come from a place of loathing. It might seem odd, but I believe you can shame someone out of love (agape), to prod them a bit over whether something is helping them or hurting them can really only be done by someone who cares, right? For men, this can only be done by example, as if to say "honestly, you could hit it, but you're an 'incel' because you don't really want to, do you?". Considering our correspondence & some of the reviews you've written, I think you understand & exercise this (if there was any "uncredited moldbug" in your works, I would certainly point to the clearpill, but I don't believe in any sort of IP).
To JGar40, "love" is too vague, the specific love i mean would be found in greek words "storge" and "pragma". It certainly isn't up to me to decide how people live their lives, but the people would certainly live much more fulfilling lives if they focused on the long-term over continually being pulled by the leashes of eros, or worse, mania. If you can't change how people live their lives, you certainly can't change how they think, do you think is this true? I don't, but I also don't think you can convince everyone to stop seeing a "slut" where they see a "slut". The critique of the incel is equally non-specific & faulty, some "incels" may engage in this sort of hate, but it is only to their detriment if they do. To wrap it up, there's something that's sort of important for us men to remember, women can't truly consent to casual sex because their "consent" is predicated on an understanding that the man sticks around afterward should she desire, even if they aren't consciously aware of this themselves. Put this in your pipe & smoke it however you please.
Though I don't mean to speak for him, I don't think remote_viewer is talking about either of you guys (he seems to be referring to the lazy one liners between our messages). In-fact, the fact that he makes this post in defense of my dissent which actually references deleuze | mcluhan | baudrillard | debord is not at all coincidental, and you'd be a fool to think that this is sort of humor is lost upon him (it's really one of the unspoken points in his review, the type of person making that thread is almost certainly talking out of their ass). I don't think it's charitable to shrug off his comments over the spiritual nanny (a manifest crypto anglo-supremacism) simply because he can extract the essence of the issue in 10x less words than i've chosen to, consider your recoiling against his message in this light.
Btw, the Marxism comment was a joke, riffing off your bit on "word weaselling".
"Punks" and other social reformers will also make lip service to economic leftism, but rarely make any concrete changes or proposals in this regard, and are in fact quickly assimilated into the market system. Social barriers to capital are easier to destroy, and in practice have already been largely destroyed, because they "chafe" against a system whose prime mover is the market. This is the root of the vast majority of "punk" victories (read "the system's neatest trick" by uncle ted for more in this vein).
I find most punk music dismal, one-note and creatively bankrupt; all subversive elements in it were dead in the water by the time the average person became aware. I find the industrial, minimal wave, post-punk scenes that followed far superior w.r.t making good music and enabling genuine dissident voices. I like this song because it's an inversion of punk; it portrays, in great detail, a profile of someone who has fully internalized the "punk" mentality and become physically and mentally sick as a result. Her character has been so deeply conditioned by market forces that it's indistinguishable from those of millions of other girls, can be described w/ a laundry list of brands and images. In trying to be "liberated", she has subjected herself to one of the most insidious systems of mind control to ever exist.
The "lol incel" critiques do, in fact, give a very incisive look into the mind of one's interlocutor. The person making the critique sees women as perfect judges of character, the companionship of a woman as a self-evident sign of virtue. As women have been more socially conformist than men for all of human history (see: gender composition of every fringe group to ever exist, except for explicitly feminist or lesbian ones), the subtext is that the person being insulted is socially marginal, and therefore wrong, whereas the person making the insult is in society's good graces, and therefore right.
I'd go so far as to say that *no* movement is truly subversive unless it "scares the hoes" to an extent.
Rebellion is a constant that works against and requires the 'staus quo' but rebellion is not itself the status quo which defined the current rules and acceptable motions in society. I merely stare my opposition to this because I find it a pretty nonsensical point.
"The person making the critique sees women as perfect judges of character, the companionship of a woman as a self-evident sign of virtue. As women have been more socially conformist than men for all of human history (see: gender composition of every fringe group to ever exist, except for explicitly feminist or lesbian ones), the subtext is that the person being insulted is socially marginal"
Completely unsubstantiated fundamental ("it rings true for all of human history") sexism (women were extremely heavily involved in nearly all social protest of the 20th century which makes it even more bogus) wow with a side dish of straw manning the opposition and creating imaginary absolute viewpoints to argue against. There is a very scarce minority of people in this world who believe or have ever argued that women are perfect "judges of character", as you state. There is plenty to be said about the commodification of sex, the believed inferiority of the male virgin, but your stated views do virtually none of it any favors.
There are other demographic groups in this society (some of which have a lot of overlap) and there are other viewpoints in this world which are not gendered that one could subvert governance-wise, economically, intellectually, etc etc but of course a baiting faux-punk would say that all subversive movements should be underpinned with an intent to scare the hoes, as if they're some kind of bourgeoisie or power elite, even though a great many women probably experience many of the same oppressive forces you do.
Maybe one day there will be a genuine musician that tries this combination, for now remains only the craving, like i said on a previous comment.
Drain Gang track you down like a Bloodhound
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Four doors, red or blue, pick the right one
It's some writing on the wall, it said "Die scum"
No heart, but I do wish I had one
And my baby wanna know what I'm scared of
Don't worry, it's been taken care of
Bladee, I'm coming for the trash like a trashman
Hell Gang, put that back in the trash can
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Step on my head twice like a cockroach
i do wonder why so many rymers are afraid, or even hostile, towards genuine discussion, even if it's over a song such as this. i gain far more from these overindulgent paragraphs than i do from the common snarky one-liners or digs at caricatures of imagined listeners
Drain Gang track you down like a Bloodhound
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Four doors, red or blue, pick the right one
It's some writing on the wall, it said "Die scum"
No heart, but I do wish I had one
And my baby wanna know what I'm scared of
Don't worry, it's been taken care of
Bladee, I'm coming for the trash like a trashman
Hell Gang, put that back in the trash can
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Step on my head twice like a cockroach [2]
Every time I close my eyes I stop existing
Every now and again I can't tell the difference
Woke up falling, I'm still falling off of buildings
Want a new addiction, wanna fall victim
Something you might crush my heart but I'ma risk it
And I'm still sinking, need a curse lifted
Blacklisted at all the clubs but I can fix this
Think I need stitches, pray to three sixes
Drain Gang track you down like a Bloodhound
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Four doors, red or blue, pick the right one
It's some writing on the wall, it said "Die scum"
No heart, but I do wish I had one
And my baby wanna know what I'm scared of
Don't worry, it's been taken care of
Bladee, I'm coming for the trash like a trashman
Hell Gang, put that back in the trash can
I can't even trust myself when the night comes
Step on my head twice like a cockroach [3]
Every time I close my eyes I stop existing
Every now and again I can't tell the difference
Woke up falling, I'm still falling off of buildings
Want a new addiction, wanna fall victim
Something you might crush my heart but I'ma risk it
And I'm still sinking, need a curse lifted
Blacklisted at all the clubs but I can fix this
Think I need stitches, pray to three sixes [2]
I wanna see heads roll, execute past life
Hundred white birds, ninety-nine fall out the sky
Fast life, race against time, it will outrun you
Rains return to the earth, sunlight to the underworld
Maybe in another life we could be lovers
Eversince we met, these thoughts keep getting worse
Iron will, ironed shirt, now I want a Fendi purse
I don't talk with empty words, what is any of it worth?
I get the sensation that you're excluding a large chunk of the population we're describing here as "normie" because you view them as beneath you (p.s. "going outside" is not the same as "talking to people"). IT'S COO tho, this is in your nature.
In case I have you pegged wrong though, feel free to humor this question:
how many "young people who are quote-unquote rebellious slutty egirls or whatever" is too many to you?
Also, it is funny how the comment box is filled with pretentious self-righteous intelectuals eager to defend the subject of the song, they are definitely more conscious and virtuous than me for sure. Overall, i am still craving an album that sounds like Pinkerton but with lyrics that approach the same concept of this negative xp song, as i pointed already, unfortunately there will never be an album like that and, even if it had, it would have flaws like this scott pilgrim song, like on the part about "thirty years old but act like she is 16" which is a line that does not make sense at all.
- your teletype is on the fritz rehashing posts over and over
- you truly are a tortured soul who's awaiting an NXP who sounds a bit more like Weezer.
I really hoped that our continued disengagement with you would inspire you to instead examine why you desire such a fusion, become that artist you wanna see, or at-least do something better than signal an article of taste every post, yet it's clear through your persistence, and desperate attempt to grab my attention, that this isn't on your itinerary.
I didn't even really wanna respond to your post, but my mother had walked into my room as I was reading it, and she was wondering why nobody was responding to you. I told her "Mom, he's really disconnected from the actual discussion at hand, no different than the snarky one-liners that we're rallying against.", but she wasn't convinced of this, she believed that you were much more deserving of respect than this.
To be honest, I still don't understand what she saw in you, but more-so than anything else, I really don't like disappointing my mother. I have faith in her judgements, thus I'm obliged to let U kno: Nice blog.
And you're eager to defend the artist, there's nothing intrinsically more pretentious or self-righteous about what I or others have done than what you and like-minded individuals have done.
> when you respond to someone with, to paraphrase, "it's in your nature because you're a whore".
projection? It's frankly embarrassing that I have to spell it out for you. It's in her nature as a woman. Where you saw "whore", I saw "wh0refeelings". Wouldn't this handle showcase in a sense an externalization of the feeling? The transcendence beyond being defined as "whore", instead, a feeling held by the individual? For you to assume that I see "whore" here & call me out on it is in essence as egregious as calling her a whore yourself. THIS IS THE PRICE OF PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
Besides, I'm not shutting anybody out, or banishing them from forgiveness (not very christ-like behavior!). You started ignoring me once my statements became too troublesome to contest, and now you sloppily swoop in at illusory "easy pickings" while ignoring the second part of my message which actually opens a line to dialogue. It's clear now that you approach this box with a poisoned heart & ill intent, yet despite this, I won't shut you out either JGar!
May I guess what your favorite album of 2019 was?
Anyways I hope this elucidates why exactly this is a two way street and perhaps those in this box who are complaining that they are being called "incels" by many online can now attempt to play an active role in preventing this miscommunication. I do not advocate politics of hate.
“whorefeelings” are inherent in all domesticated beings (male or female), a sexual instance of desire. To accept this & keep it as feeling one occasionally encounters instead of an obsession which consumes oneself (whorebehavior) marks an step upwards beyond the sorry state of an animal enslaved by desire, no? This is all I meant to highlight, that Audrey likely shrugged off (internet poisoned) “normies” who would fit precisely in this category bc she is poised ~1-2 steps above them. It really makes me sad that you’re admitting to thinking of her as a whore (where you do so “non-pejoratively”, I do not make such a judgement at all!). I’m not going to press further on this though, if you’re really settled thinking she’s a whore (how can you even say such a thing without it being a pejorative?), I can’t help you. If anything, she likely didn’t respond because:
1. she doesn’t frequent this box nearly as much as we do
2. my question was really a rhetorical one, simply asking that question revealed the point of disagreement.
poster physiognomy is real btw…
My favorite album of 2019 was Saijiki by 3776, unsure how this is any sort of “zinger”. You’re the smart one after all, go ahead, tell me, how is this a “dunk”?
It's not a product of laziness, it's because your writing makes it evident. This isn't the first time I have talked back and forth on this site. "faux-stoicism", obviously I care about the words themselves, but you accused me of a poisoned heart and ill intent and I don't feel much about people who I don't know. Optimally, one should discuss things without being overtaken by emotion, this does not preclude discussion or "conjecture" as you say.
"buzzwords which reek of sour grapes (“pseudo-intellectual semantics”)"
This is extremely ironic, but let's not list examples. If you struggle comprehending basic English which I don't believe you do, I was saying that you were intentionally obfuscating words to make it seem as if you were saying something distinct from what I said, when your clarified meaning had fundamentally the exact same implications.
"“whorefeelings” are inherent in all domesticated beings (male or female), a sexual instance of desire"
So you turned it into a sensationalized buzzword instead of speaking in plain English (or charitably you used her invention to muddle discussion). And now you shift it to "it affects all of us regardless of gender" when you stated 2 comments ago " it's in her nature as a woman". And if it affects all of us, there's literally nothing poignant about saying that because if you suffer from it too, you too would "simply not understand". Ultimately, it was entirely possible for you to expose this simple disagreement of perception on how people actually behave irl without any of this fluff about so called "wh0refeelings".
"where you do so “non-pejoratively”" only in the sense that she plants the word by lightheartedly and nonchalantly calling herself that and I can't determine how one feels based off that. I do not think it in any substantiative way and to intentionally misconstrue my view like that is disingenuous. You brought up that card link unnecessarily in the first place so it would seem you care more about this notion than I do.
"You’re the smart one after all, go ahead, tell me, how is this a “dunk”?"
Thank you for the compliment. It was further to display that you dig yourself in a hole as much as others are covering you with the dirt. The zinger was that you were literally speaking like Kanye West from Jesus is King (2019).
"I do not “ban” anyone from forgiveness"
I addressed this but you still insist that I am saying this. And to the onlookers of the car crash, I'm well aware what EDWARD_FLEX appears to be, but I will not impose that label upon them.
observe how the faux-stoic turns a discussion into a pissing contest of who's "less emotional", regardless of whether or not he really believes it
>but let's not list examples
cause you have none
> "it affects all of us regardless of gender" when you stated 2 comments ago " it's in her nature as a woman".
yes, it's in her nature as a woman to use this to position herself above/away-from others, it's "pick-me" behavior. lol. Again, you only miss this through reading me uncharitably
>So you turned it into a sensationalized buzzword instead of speaking in plain English
let me spell out the difference for you. You throw around buzzwords that were programmed into your mind through media, I coin never-before-heard neologisms on the spot like its breathing. We Are Not The Same.
> Ultimately, it was entirely possible for you to expose this simple disagreement of perception on how people actually behave irl without any of this fluff about so called "wh0refeelings".
de gustibus non disputandum est, you'll get it when you're older
> to intentionally misconstrue my view like that is disingenuous
"I think it was implicit that I don't think she is a "whore" in any pejorative sense" -JGar40
why add this qualifier "in any perjorative sense" then? I don't mind chalking this up to a miscommunication if you were being overly formal.
>The zinger was that you were literally speaking like Kanye West from Jesus is King (2019)
ok?
>I addressed this but you still insist that I am saying this.
"And again, with every individual you interact with, it seems as if you enter and exit with the assumption + statement that they couldn't understand because their heart is innately tainted"
"I'm well aware what EDWARD_FLEX appears to be, but I will not impose that label upon them." (as you're doing here?)
ofc, it's cause you continued to say it until the very last word.
0/10, it's clear that you're fishing for my attention at this point.
It's not my agenda, you're the one who brought up that I must have ill intent and be a faux-stoic. If you make such a claim of someone, expect responses.
"it's in her nature as a woman to use this to position herself above/away-from others, it's "pick-me" behavior"
Which is a completely unsubstantiated, and resultantly from the lack of substantiation, sexist claim.
"You throw around buzzwords that were programmed into your mind through media"
You see what I mean? You either are or roleplay as being superior and intellectual, you hold your views as an absolute truth, and shut out others by means of their demographic or because they are "brainwashed by the media". Whether you are an incel is something that I could not know bar self-admission but this is exactly the issue that plagues many of the people who are accused of such in discussions of songs such as this.
"THE PRICE OF PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH"
"de gustibus non disputandum est, you'll get it when you're older"
"You throw around buzzwords that were programmed into your mind through media, I coin never-before-heard neologisms on the spot like its breathing. We Are Not The Same."
"poster physiognomy is real btw…"
"the drawn out joke about your own mother towards INoLuv"
"I'm well aware" that to the average person in this comment box you appear to be a troll as every single tactic and mannerism of your writing indicates so, as you dance around and only occasionally touch the actual point, and use intentionally baity and memey phrases as if the extent of my internet experience starts and ends at Tumblr.com. I acknowledge that there are others in this comment box who hold a similar opinion on the lyrics in this song, who are not trolls and in fact appear to be very genuine about their beliefs. To not mince words, yes I personally believe you're a troll and have believed so quite a while, but have argued to the fullest possible extent against only the words. The difficulty is heightened as you have no reservations against judging people based on nothing. Your last sentence is ironic as I would say we are both attention whores.
If my troll assessment is wrong, I would at least maintain that looking at optics, it is quite difficult to make one challenge their "brainwashed" mentality when approached when w/ such a manner of speaking. That aside, I hardly imagine this is going to get back to the cultural debate that is the crux of this song and my interest in seeing it further devolve is limited. There was a point in this box where actual points were maintained.
Q.E.D.
if you’re so sure about this, then it would be fine to let the user read the whole exchange & make up their mind for themselves, no?
and of course i promote people making their own judgements but I do possess a basic social awareness and can read the other comments posted in this box
it is not impossible i am incorrect but i do believe what i am saying. And note my usage of the word "basic", as in just enough to understand that I am viewed as paranoid and hyperonline and that you are viewed as incel with a pack of dogwhistles. Any more than "basic" and we probably wouldn't be discussing this. And it appears a point of contention for you which is why I have said this multiple times.
violetinreal welcome to rym, you’ll see worse
hairsnatcher at-least we exist
short of the times comment boxes were closed doubt it